09-13-2019, 02:29 PM
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09-13-2019, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by particlewave
“piper”: Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Talk, don’t insult. Compromise, don’t demand.
Stop watching hateful liberal news (it’s obvious that you do based on your distorted “truths”).
Your hate and anger filled rhetoric does nothing positive.
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ahh... look in the mirror, bro.
You don't know what I watch.
This ain't no Liberal news outlet:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-september-11-interview-tallest-building-manhattan-2017-9
I'd suggest you learn to accept FACTS, good or bad, instead of dismissing them.
Who's paying for the wall? Maybe you should go help Alabama recover from Dorain! LMAO!
Seriously, I have no animosity towards you. This guy lied to us and he's STILL lying to us. Accept it. It's fact!
EDIT: I stand corrected. He didn't go on the radio, he called into a TV station.
https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-911-anniversary-trump-tower-height-video-interview-bragging-9100271
See? I can admit when I'm wrong!
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09-13-2019, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by particlewave
“piper”: Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
Talk, don’t insult. Compromise, don’t demand.
Stop watching hateful liberal news (it’s obvious that you do based on your distorted “truths”).
Your hate and anger filled rhetoric does nothing positive.
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I'm with PW on this. 100%. Piper, you're over the top, man. If you read what I said about reasonable people having reasonable conversations, you'd probably recognize that these posts are the opposite of that. They're full of insults and attacks. All you'll garner with that sort of hate is more hate.
Slow down the rhetoric abit, and let's talk about issues. What's your suggestion for healthcare? What's your suggestion for gun control? What's your suggestion for abortion laws? What's your suggestion for immigration? What's your suggestion for China?
I mean, there are plenty of substantive things we could discuss that don't require your hate filled vitriol.
Pick one?
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09-13-2019, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by maytag
I'm with PW on this. 100%. Piper, you're over the top, man. If you read what I said about reasonable people having reasonable conversations, you'd probably recognize that these posts are the opposite of that. They're full of insults and attacks. All you'll garner with that sort of hate is more hate.
Slow down the rhetoric abit, and let's talk about issues. What's your suggestion for healthcare? What's your suggestion for gun control? What's your suggestion for abortion laws? What's your suggestion for immigration? What's your suggestion for China?
I mean, there are plenty of substantive things we could discuss that don't require your hate filled vitriol.
Pick one?
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Here's what he said about me, and I'm the one with hate-filled vitriol?
YOU and partisan people like you are a joke.
YOU and partisan politics are what is dividing this country.
YOU and your partisan tribal “us and them” mentality are the problem.
Are you serious, Maytag? I've shown I can have a good discussion, when it's mutual. As you and I have had.
But get in the dirt with me, and like Rump, I hit back. But unlike Rump, I don't need to hit back 10 times as hard. If it's acceptable for him to do it, it's acceptable for me.
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09-13-2019, 04:04 PM
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One of this great country’s founding principles is that, despite our differences, we come to the table and find compromise. Both major parties (and practically all of the MSM) are failing at that.
Oh, yeah...Uber sucks
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09-13-2019, 04:09 PM
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When you talk like that, piper, you are insulting and invalidating half of your countrymen.
I repeat: YOU and people like you are the problem.
One of this great country’s founding principles is that, despite our differences, we come to the table and find compromise. Both major parties (and practically all of the MSM) are failing at that, and you are eating out of their hands.
Calm down. Turn off the news for a while.
Stop it.
Oh, yeah...Uber sucks 
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I present the facts to you, yet you completely ignored them. Facts matter. Right now, RUMP is the problem.
Yeah, I'm no fan of Uber either.
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09-13-2019, 04:33 PM
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Piper, I'm looking through your posts in this thread, and they seem to be devoid of "facts". Which facts are we talking about here?
C'mon. Let's pick an issue and talk about a good solution. Maybe we can save the country, right here!
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09-13-2019, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by maytag
Piper, I'm looking through your posts in this thread, and they seem to be devoid of "facts". Which facts are we talking about here?
C'mon. Let's pick an issue and talk about a good solution. Maybe we can save the country, right here!
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What do you mean? Fact: Hours after the twin towers came down Rump said that he now has the tallest building in Manhattan. Which actually turned out to be another lie, but that's another story. I gave references. Two links from 2 different sources.
And what started all this: When PW said that California is "not successful" because of their deficit, I reminded him of Rump's deficit. It went up. Another fact.
I'll be glad to discuss some issues with you, unfortunately now is a bad time. Maybe tomorrow. I will look forward to saving the country together!
And BTW, I never made personal insults on anyone here, except one time. And that was a direct response to a personal insult on me.
Good night.
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09-13-2019, 08:43 PM
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Oooohhhhh...... so, YOU think that "facts" are you poking holes in trump? You think that's somehow useful? Helpful in any way whatsoever? YOU think that pointing out the extent of the president's narcissism makes you smart? C'mon man..... that's low-hanging fruit. You'll find no argument here.
But again: that's just politics. You're playing the divisive role really well. You want to inflame others, which is why you use the words you do: to incite a defensive response..... to start a fight, in other words.
Stop it.
Be better than that.
Now let's stick to facts that matter. So the president says stupid stuff, to build up his ego. Yeah..... it's embarrassing. So was "I did not have sex with that woman...." and "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor....". I'm not interested in personal politics. Let's talk about issues. Let's talk about policies.
Let go the hate, piper.
Let go the hate.
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09-14-2019, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by maytag
Oooohhhhh...... so, YOU think that "facts" are you poking holes in trump? You think that's somehow useful? Helpful in any way whatsoever? YOU think that pointing out the extent of the president's narcissism makes you smart? C'mon man..... that's low-hanging fruit. You'll find no argument here.
But again: that's just politics. You're playing the divisive role really well. You want to inflame others, which is why you use the words you do: to incite a defensive response..... to start a fight, in other words.
Stop it.
Be better than that.
Now let's stick to facts that matter. So the president says stupid stuff, to build up his ego. Yeah..... it's embarrassing. So was "I did not have sex with that woman...." and "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor....". I'm not interested in personal politics. Let's talk about issues. Let's talk about policies.
Let go the hate, piper.
Let go the hate.
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I'm just pointing out the fact that this clown is unfit for the office.
And do you seriously want to compare Rump's lies to those of Clinton and Obama? Write me a list of theirs and I'll write you a list of his. I hope you like curling up for a long read! LOL
The only hate I have is for Cheeto Bone-Spurs. None for you, none for PW. I didn't have hate for Reagan, nor the Bushes. Cheney, on the other hand... that's another story we don't need to get into.
I will not let go of it until he's gone. I love my country too much to let this go.
He lied to me, he lied to you. Thousands of times. He's still lying. Every day.
So... want to have a discussion about guns?
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09-13-2019, 11:45 PM
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09-14-2019, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by particlewave
I was simply pointing out how you are contributing to the division in this country.
Here’s a shocker for you: I didn’t vote for Trump (and you did, long after his comment you’re going on about).
But, he is our president and I 100% believe that he has our country’s best interests in mind.
Is he a clown? Absolutely. Does he go about things the right way? More often no than yes.
But, again, he is our president and I respect the office and the will of the voters that elected him.
If you don’t like him, show it with your vote. Don’t cry over spilled milk.
My paycheck is bigger than ever, unemployment is down, economy booming...the only downside I see is the division that has mostly been caused by the pissed off left nitpicking every gaffe or wild conspiracy theory they can come up with.
I really hate to do it because I do believe you’re a good guy who’s perception has been warped, possibly by friends, the MSM, family, but I have chosen to ignore those that want to see our country divided.
I slipped up by reading and posting here, but I’m done and have to add you to my short ignore list.
Best of luck! 
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You can respect the Office of the Presidency by defending its integrity and demanding integrity from him. Demand that he doesn't call American cities "Rat infested", Also, respect those who DIDN'T vote for him, which, BTW are 3 million more that those of us who did. Unless you believe his nonsense that 3 million "illigals" voted. Put me in the rising ranks of those who regret our vote. But I digress.
Fact: The economy, stock market and unemployment are on the EXACT same trajectory they were when he took office. He hasn't made anything better. On the contrary we're on the brink of a recession, thanks in large part to his trade war with China.
And just because I disagree with you, MY perception is warped? If you still think he has America's best interest in mind, I have some great land in Florida to sell you. He's sending troops to spend the night in his resorts, on our dime. He's profiting from the office. He kisses the ass of Putin and Kim over the objections of our own intelligence community. We had to pull one of our top spies in Russia because he can't stop blabbering intelligence. That's ANOTHER fact. Do you know how big of an intelligence loss that is? This will hurt us for YEARS, because no one knows how long it'll take to get someone else. His only interest is himself and his wallet. Period. If you still believe anything else, I really don't know what to say.
And if you add me to your ignore list, it's no skin off my back. I won't. I'll still read your posts, because I can handle differences in opinions. But facts? There should be no difference there.
Best wishes.
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09-14-2019, 05:29 AM
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Finally, piper, something that isn't simply more of your personal attacks at the president. Seriously; go back and read your last post with an open mind. You'll realize that of the entire post, this is the only meat there. Everything else is conspiracy theory crap, and attacks at the individual. You yelling "fact" in front of a statement doesn't magically make it so.
So let's take the one bone you've thrown.
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Fact: The economy, stock market and unemployment are on the EXACT same trajectory they were when he took office. He hasn't made anything better. On the contrary we're on the brink of a recession, thanks in large part to his trade war with China.
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Your first sentence is NOT fact. And you saying it more aggressively won't make it so. The truth is that, while the economy was improving before president trump, it was doing so very, VERY slowly. The argument is frequently made by economists all over the country that it HAD to improve, because during Obama's presidency we saw some of the worst economic times of the last 50 years. There was nowhere to go but up.
Now we find ourselves in the longest period of economic expansion in the nation's history. The pressure is for it to drop. None of the key indicators point to recession except this one: How long can this really go on?
Now if you'd like my OPINION (which is what YOU give us after you say "FACT"). My opinion is that 4 weeks ago the MSM and democratic presidential candidates started talking about this "looming recession" for the single purpose of negating what will most certainly be trump's campaign dialogue: "it's the economy, stupid". Because if they can't beat the economy, they can't beat trump. And beating trump is MUCH more important to them than the health of our economy. (Both sides of the aisle have made winning a priority over what's best for the country for several years now. It disgusts me. )
Now piper, I've addressed your unreasonable rants and histrionics with calm, reasonable discussion. Think you can do the same?
If you can't, then this is the last of my posts in this thread. (Unless I need an uber)
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09-14-2019, 06:06 AM
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Finally, piper, something that isn't simply more of your personal attacks at the president. Seriously; go back and read your last post with an open mind. You'll realize that of the entire post, this is the only meat there. Everything else is conspiracy theory crap, and attacks at the individual. You yelling "fact" in front of a statement doesn't magically make it so.
So let's take the one bone you've thrown.
Your first sentence is NOT fact. And you saying it more aggressively won't make it so. The truth is that, while the economy was improving before president trump, it was doing so very, VERY slowly. The argument is frequently made by economists all over the country that it HAD to improve, because during Obama's presidency we saw some of the worst economic times of the last 50 years. There was nowhere to go but up.
Now we find ourselves in the longest period of economic expansion in the nation's history. The pressure is for it to drop. None of the key indicators point to recession except this one: How long can this really go on?
Now if you'd like my OPINION (which is what YOU give us after you say "FACT"). My opinion is that 4 weeks ago the MSM and democratic presidential candidates started talking about this "looming recession" for the single purpose of negating what will most certainly be trump's campaign dialogue: "it's the economy, stupid". Because if they can't beat the economy, they can't beat trump. And beating trump is MUCH more important to them than the health of our economy. (Both sides of the aisle have made winning a priority over what's best for the country for several years now. It disgusts me. )
Now piper, I've addressed your unreasonable rants and histrionics with calm, reasonable discussion. Think you can do the same?
If you can't, then this is the last of my posts in this thread. (Unless I need an uber)
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Sorry, Maytag. Facts are facts and here's my proof.
FACT: Unemployment has been on the decline since 2010, after recovering from the Great Recession.
From 2010 to 2016, unemployment dropped by 5 points. Since Rump took office in Jan 2016, it dropped by 1.3 That's a FACT.
Source: National Employment Monthly Update
FACT: Stock has been rising since 2010. Again, after recovering from the Great Recession. It's on the same Trajectory today:
Source: https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
FACT: Economy is on the same trajectory as it was when Rump took office. (I was wrong. It's NOT, it's actually going DOWN. So I stand corrected.)
Source: https://www.bea.gov/news/glance
You can argue with my opinions all you want, you can't argue with facts and sources. Want to argue with history?
So I've provided facts and backed them up with sources. What have you?
Actually, your argument that the economy had nowhere to go but up, is, in fact opinion. And I respect that, however, my counter-argument is that it's been called the Great Recession because it wasn't the 2nd Great Depression. To say it had nowhere to go but up just doesn't hold water. It could have continued to go down. Unfortunately, neither of us can prove a negative, so we'll leave it at that. but it COULD have gone down, thankfully it didn't.
EDIT: And there you go twisting history when you say "during Obama's presidency we saw the worst economic times in 50 years." In fact, Obama was HANDED that economy from Bush, then he turned it around. Facts matter.
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09-14-2019, 08:36 AM
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You can respect the Office of the Presidency by defending its integrity and demanding integrity from him. Demand that he doesn't call American cities "Rat infested", Also, respect those who DIDN'T vote for him, which, BTW are 3 million more that those of us who did. Unless you believe his nonsense that 3 million "illigals" voted. Put me in the rising ranks of those who regret our vote. But I digress.
Fact: The economy, stock market and unemployment are on the EXACT same trajectory they were when he took office. He hasn't made anything better. On the contrary we're on the brink of a recession, thanks in large part to his trade war with China.
And just because I disagree with you, MY perception is warped? If you still think he has America's best interest in mind, I have some great land in Florida to sell you. He's sending troops to spend the night in his resorts, on our dime. He's profiting from the office. He kisses the ass of Putin and Kim over the objections of our own intelligence community. We had to pull one of our top spies in Russia because he can't stop blabbering intelligence. That's ANOTHER fact. Do you know how big of an intelligence loss that is? This will hurt us for YEARS, because no one knows how long it'll take to get someone else. His only interest is himself and his wallet. Period. If you still believe anything else, I really don't know what to say.
And if you add me to your ignore list, it's no skin off my back. I won't. I'll still read your posts, because I can handle differences in opinions. But facts? There should be no difference there.
Best wishes.
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I wanna hear about that land...
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09-14-2019, 08:45 AM
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I wanna hear about that land...
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Prime building lot!  
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09-14-2019, 10:33 AM
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09-14-2019, 11:26 AM
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What?
From maytag’s response, I know you replied to me, even though I told you that I put you on my ignore list.
I’m not surprised. That’s typical for your type: always have to get the last word in when throwing your tantrums. 
Maybe someday you’ll grow up and learn to be civil like a big boy. Until then, yell at my back all you want.
Good luck dealing with his TDS, guys.
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If you don't have the facts on your side, go for the personal attacks.
Yes, I DID have TDS in 2016. I got off the kool-aid and sobered up! Good luck with your TDS, bud.
I suggest the 12-step system.
Step 1: Accept reality - He lied to us. We will pay for his wall, not Mexico. He is billing the taxpayers for his and his family's stays at his resorts. He is getting our tax money from troops staying at his resorts. He said he will be too busy to play golf, that he will never leave the White House. He golfs more than Obama ever did, and stays at his resort on your dime. The difference is, he's billing us and pocketing the money. He is profiting from the office of the Presidency. And BTW, he promised he'd release his taxes and he never did, so he's hiding $h!t from us. Reality. Try it sometime.  It's a big step, but you can do it!
P.S. Whether you claim to ignore me or not, as long as you address your comments to me, I will continue to respond.
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