Gun discussion. So piper6069 can let the other thread be.

[BYprodriver]

Originally Posted by all_mota

Wait.. so this is what happened to our popular gun thread?!

As a California Bail bonds agent I am authorized to carry concealed weapons while in pursuit of a bail jumper.

I take my H&k combat shotgun with 7 12ga capacity mag., My 9mm Glock & my COP.357

[Starter986]

As a subscriber to "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" and "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" I just conceal, and quite nicely. When **************** hits the fan I'll take my lumps.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

As a subscriber to "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission" and "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" I just conceal, and quite nicely. When **************** hits the fan I'll take my lumps.

I carry too. I have a concealed carry permit. I just don't need an assault weapon, especially not one with large magazines.

[SC-986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I carry too. I have a concealed carry permit. I just don't need an assault weapon, especially not one with large magazines.

Why do you think you have the moral high ground to determine when a weapon is an assault weapon or a defensive weapon, or what constitutes a large magazine.

If I am at my house and use an AR-15 to protect my family and property from a group of (6) people intent on doing harm - that’s (5) rounds per person. That AR-15 becomes a defensive weapon.

If I use that same gun to go on the offensive and harm my neighbor it becomes an assault weapon. The label “assault weapon” applies to any implement intended to be used as an offensive weapon be it a rifle, sidearm, knife or baseball bat.

Why do otherwise intelligent people fall prey to the culture creators who introduce emotionally charged words/phrases into the lexicon to advance an agenda.

BTW - the AR in AR-15 stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle. It is a product naming convention from the company that invented it, ArmaLite. In fact, there were a number of rifles with “AR” names, like the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16 and AR-17.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by SC-986

BTW - the AR in AR-15 stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle. It is a product naming convention from the company that invented it, ArmaLite. In fact, there were a number of rifles with “AR” names, like the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16 and AR-17.

Im'a just put this here for now.

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[Starter986]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Why do you think you have the moral high ground to determine when a weapon is an assault weapon or a defensive weapon, or what constitutes a large magazine.

If I am at my house and use an AR-15 to protect my family and property from a group of (6) people intent on doing harm - that’s (5) rounds per person. That AR-15 becomes a defensive weapon.

If I use that same gun to go on the offensive and harm my neighbor it becomes an assault weapon. The label “assault weapon” applies to any implement intended to be used as an offensive weapon be it a rifle, sidearm, knife or baseball bat.

Why do otherwise intelligent people fall prey to the culture creators who introduce emotionally charged words/phrases into the lexicon to advance an agenda.

BTW - the AR in AR-15 stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle. It is a product naming convention from the company that invented it, ArmaLite. In fact, there were a number of rifles with “AR” names, like the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16 and AR-17.

That was a sensical response.

Originally Posted by maytag

Im'a just put this here for now.

Nice try, May, but that tortoise holds 30 rounds.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

If I am at my house and use an AR-15 to protect my family and property from a group of (6) people intent on doing harm - that’s (5) rounds per person.

If you need 5 rounds per person, you don't need an AR-15 You need shooting lessons.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Why do otherwise intelligent people fall prey to the culture creators who introduce emotionally charged words/phrases into the lexicon to advance an agenda.

Exactly my question. Otherwise intelligent people are falling prey to the narrative that "everyone's out to get you and you need to buy our guns to protect yourself." Buy buy buy!

The NRA doesn't give a **************** about us, nor the 2nd Amendment. Their sole priority is to sell guns and get themselves rich at our expense. Why do you think they're out in Russia pushing guns? Does Russia have a 2nd amendment? The NRA is nothing but an arm of the gun manufacturers.

[SC-986]

Dude, why are you so emotionally invested in the left/right paradigm. I did not use any oft repeated emotionally charged phrases, ie. “Assault Weapon” that have been trumpeted (sorry for the trigger word) (oops did it again) and programmed into the minds of a certain segment of society by politicians and the mass media. I am trying to inject some critical thinking and common sense into the argument.

Apparently you believe “everyone is out to get you” since you’ve taken the steps to obtain a concealed weapons permit. An AR-15 is not unlike a tool that is best used in the proper situation - for example I wouldn’t use a hacksaw to take down a tree, I would use a chainsaw. I am not going to walk down Main Street with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder but I will use it in the proper environment and scenario.

My original point was and still is a weapon can be anything to inflict harm on another being. Intent determines whether or not it is an “assault” weapon. Just because a group of politicians labels a thing, does not make it so.

DISCLAIMER - I am not on team red or team blue - in my opinion most if not all of our political leaders are as corrupt as the day is long.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Apparently you believe “everyone is out to get you” since you’ve taken the steps to obtain a concealed weapons permit. An AR-15 is not unlike a tool that is best used in the proper situation - for example I wouldn’t use a hacksaw to take down a tree, I would use a chainsaw. I am not going to walk down Main Street with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder but I will use it in the proper environment and scenario.

Yes, I believe there are some bad people out there, and a handgun is a very capable tool to defend myself and my home. Although I have an unloaded shotgun under my bed, in case someone comes in, I believe all they need to hear the sound the gun makes when I "load the chamber" and they'll scurry out of the house like cockroaches. But I really don't expect anyone coming in. It's just an insurance thing.

I also wouldn't use a hack saw to cut down a tree, but I wouldn't use a grenade, either. I think an AR is like a grenade when it comes to self-defense, and a handgun is more like a chainsaw in your analogy. We have difference in opinions on this and we can leave it at that. You'll never convince me otherwise and I'll never convince you. I do, however, believe we both have the right to express our opinions.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Dude, why are you so emotionally invested in the left/right paradigm. I did not use any oft repeated emotionally charged phrases, ie. “Assault Weapon” that have been trumpeted (sorry for the trigger word) (oops did it again) and programmed into the minds of a certain segment of society by politicians and the mass media. I am trying to inject some critical thinking and common sense into the argument.

HA! Talking about emotionally invested, I've seen countless bumper stickers of guns, AR's, gun stick families, etc.

I've never seen stickers of chainsaws, to bring back your analogy. Who's emotionally invested?

[SC-986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

The NRA doesn't give a **************** about us, nor the 2nd Amendment. Their sole priority is to sell guns and get themselves rich at our expense. Why do you think they're out in Russia pushing guns? Does Russia have a 2nd amendment? The NRA is nothing but an arm of the gun manufacturers.

Oh - and another thing. I am not a member of the NRA. Just someone who believes I have the right to protect my family and property from those who intend harm or would like to take unlawful possession of said property.