Thanks Trump

[Starter986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

YES. Dehumanizing. You called them scourge and scum. They are, by definition, not illegal when they come in for asylum. I'd share my house with some of them over some MAGA dunce-cap racist, nazi, bigot any day.

I'm not saying that you are one of them, and I try not to get personal, but you have problems. When you call an entire population that you know nothing about "scourge and scum", you have problems. I'm not a psych so I don't know if it's xenophobia, anger, hatred, self-loathing, or what. But I'll leave it at that.

Regarding Rump, I actually voted for him. I'm one of those so-called Obama - Trump voters. I overlooked a lot of his loathsome behavior and comments because I thought, "What could it hurt?" and "Minnesota tried Jesse Ventura, they recovered OK." Time to throw a wrench in the works and try something new. I made a grave mistake.

Not a day goes by that I'm sick to my stomach over it. Sometimes every minute of the day. For all his lying and posturing, I never believed that he didn't love America. I never thought he had dictatorship tendencies. But now I know that he loves nothing but himself. He would destroy America to save his hide. And he's demonstrating it every day. I see the reincarnation of Mussolini in this guy. And to think I was one of the voters that helped him win PA. It is probably one of the most regrettable things I've done in my life.

Now you're losing cred.

They are illegal when they don't seek that shelter at the first country they pass through. So, enough of that BS. Those that get in line... the proper channels... I'm good with that. Unfettered, dig under/climb over that border? Yeah, **************** that.

Yes, I'm the one with the problem. The problem is I'm tired of paying for their ****************, and I'm not alone in that regards. Trump's approval rating is incredible. Further, it's becoming clearer everytime you open your mouth YOU'RE the one who wants to put America second. You're begining to sound like that traitor Obama. The scourge with which you'd rather concern yourself, than Americans, make the news everyday. You know: murder, rape, and robbery. I'll say it: You're the sick-minded one pal. I don't really know you so, please, don't take that personal.

That time to throw a wrench in it long has passed, and Trump already introduced it. The liberal voters had become so immune... so numb to the decade-after-decade regurgitation of political doublespeak the liberals were lapping it up like pablum. And they want more! Even as adults they're still feeding on that tiny spoon. LIberals couldn't wipe their own ass without first making sure there was a regulation to be certain they were doing it right. If it isn't regulated... if there isn't a tax on it... it's ripe for the picking. Didn't the Trump win illustrate for you that the majority of Americans are tired of the decades-long same old-same old?

Yes. Scourge and scum. I won't waver on that. The jobs an American won't do? That position only goes so far. I've never had an illegal work for me. Even if it was an American that cost me more... I absorbed, or passed along that cost. I made it work. Maybe the libs should work on advancing e-verify if their panties are so bunched up. Me thinks there are are more than a few of them that, too, skirt that "law".

As much as a ****************up Trump can be, anything... anything is better than having another Clinton in the house. Truly the liberals are a bunch of dunces. They simply don't have the intelligence to admit it. They can't be wrong. Crybabies. Heaven forbid another dumb, er, dem lands in the house.

You can sound like a very smart person. Likely you live in a gated community, upper-middle class, have money to burn (or aren't paying attention to where it really goes, or don't care), are age 35-42, and have zero clue of what the "general" public faces everyday. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll admit that defeat.

Again, I didn't vote for Trump. Wouldn't vote for another Clinton, least of all Hillary. I don't wear a MAGA hat. Grave mistake? No. You made the better choice. Prepare yourself for another term.

I'm glad that we can share a love of the 986, and would hope that aside from our differing political views and positions, you'd still help me by offering advice when I run into a mechanical problem.

Have a good evening, Sir.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Now you're losing cred.

They are illegal when they don't seek that shelter at the first country they pass through. So, enough of that BS. Those that get in line... the proper channels... I'm good with that. Unfettered, dig under/climb over that border? Yeah, **************** that.

Yes, I'm the one with the problem. The problem is I'm tired of paying for their ****************, and I'm not alone in that regards. Trump's approval rating is incredible. Further, it's becoming clearer everytime you open your mouth YOU'RE the one who wants to put America second. You're begining to sound like that traitor Obama. The scourge with which you'd rather concern yourself, than Americans, make the news everyday. You know: murder, rape, and robbery. I'll say it: You're the sick-minded one pal. I don't really know you so, please, don't take that personal.

That time to throw a wrench in it long has passed, and Trump already introduced it. The liberal voters had become so immune... so numb to the decade-after-decade regurgitation of political doublespeak the liberals were lapping it up like pablum. And they want more! Even as adults they're still feeding on that tiny spoon. LIberals couldn't wipe their own ass without first making sure there was a regulation to be certain they were doing it right. If it isn't regulated... if there isn't a tax on it... it's ripe for the picking. Didn't the Trump win illustrate for you that the majority of Americans are tired of the decades-long same old-same old?

Yes. Scourge and scum. I won't waver on that. The jobs an American won't do? That position only goes so far. I've never had an illegal work for me. Even if it was an American that cost me more... I absorbed, or passed along that cost. I made it work. Maybe the libs should work on advancing e-verify if their panties are so bunched up. Me thinks there are are more than a few of them that, too, skirt that "law".

As much as a ****************up Trump can be, anything... anything is better than having another Clinton in the house. Truly the liberals are a bunch of dunces. They simply don't have the intelligence to admit it. They can't be wrong. Crybabies. Heaven forbid another dumb, er, dem lands in the house.

You can sound like a very smart person. Likely you live in a gated community, upper-middle class, have money to burn (or aren't paying attention to where it really goes, or don't care), are age 35-42, and have zero clue of what the "general" public faces everyday. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll admit that defeat.

Again, I didn't vote for Trump. Wouldn't vote for another Clinton, least of all Hillary. I don't wear a MAGA hat. Grave mistake? No. You made the better choice. Prepare yourself for another term.

I'm glad that we can share a love of the 986, and would hope that aside from our differing political views and positions, you'd still help me by offering advice when I run into a mechanical problem.

Have a good evening, Sir.

Like I said, "I'll leave it at that."

[maytag]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Now you're losing cred.



They are illegal when they don't seek that shelter at the first country they pass through. So, enough of that BS. Those that get in line... the proper channels... I'm good with that. Unfettered, dig under/climb over that border? Yeah, **************** that.



Yes, I'm the one with the problem. The problem is I'm tired of paying for their ****************, and I'm not alone in that regards. Trump's approval rating is incredible. Further, it's becoming clearer everytime you open your mouth YOU'RE the one who wants to put America second. You're begining to sound like that traitor Obama. The scourge with which you'd rather concern yourself, than Americans, make the news everyday. You know: murder, rape, and robbery. I'll say it: You're the sick-minded one pal. I don't really know you so, please, don't take that personal.



That time to throw a wrench in it long has passed, and Trump already introduced it. The liberal voters had become so immune... so numb to the decade-after-decade regurgitation of political doublespeak the liberals were lapping it up like pablum. And they want more! Even as adults they're still feeding on that tiny spoon. LIberals couldn't wipe their own ass without first making sure there was a regulation to be certain they were doing it right. If it isn't regulated... if there isn't a tax on it... it's ripe for the picking. Didn't the Trump win illustrate for you that the majority of Americans are tired of the decades-long same old-same old?



Yes. Scourge and scum. I won't waver on that. The jobs an American won't do? That position only goes so far. I've never had an illegal work for me. Even if it was an American that cost me more... I absorbed, or passed along that cost. I made it work. Maybe the libs should work on advancing e-verify if their panties are so bunched up. Me thinks there are are more than a few of them that, too, skirt that "law".



As much as a ****************up Trump can be, anything... anything is better than having another Clinton in the house. Truly the liberals are a bunch of dunces. They simply don't have the intelligence to admit it. They can't be wrong. Crybabies. Heaven forbid another dumb, er, dem lands in the house.



You can sound like a very smart person. Likely you live in a gated community, upper-middle class, have money to burn (or aren't paying attention to where it really goes, or don't care), are age 35-42, and have zero clue of what the "general" public faces everyday. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll admit that defeat.



Again, I didn't vote for Trump. Wouldn't vote for another Clinton, least of all Hillary. I don't wear a MAGA hat. Grave mistake? No. You made the better choice. Prepare yourself for another term.



I'm glad that we can share a love of the 986, and would hope that aside from our differing political views and positions, you'd still help me by offering advice when I run into a mechanical problem.



Have a good evening, Sir.

Huh.... I backed ot off this thread because I found myself getting all wound-up in replies I would type and then delete, Haha.
But I lurk a bit.

I gotta admit though: I find almost NOTHING in this quoted post that I don't agree 100% with. I'm sorry guys, I would rarely be so blunt, but he's called it all out correctly.
With perhaps one exception: the idea that being illegal makes one scourge and scum is something I balk at. But those people in ther caravans, breaking international asylum law by walking across multiple countries to get to this once.... yeah: Scourge.
And being here illegally is absolutely a "gateway crime", meaning it leads to more and more crime. Not for all, but for many. It's the natural extension of their chosen path. So yeah: many become scum. (Do not misunderstand: being illegal doesn't make one scum. But when that illegal status then leads them to crime because they can't work legally, that's a problem. Or they'r here illegally sho they can hide while they practice their deviancies yeah, I got a problem.

But I am 100% in favor of making legal status more accessible.... for those who seek it properly. I have no problem with those who come to participate in a great America.

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[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Starter986

They are illegal when they don't seek that shelter at the first country they pass through. So, enough of that BS. Those that get in line... the proper channels... I'm good with that. Unfettered, dig under/climb over that border? Yeah, **************** that.

Yes, I'm the one with the problem. The problem is I'm tired of paying for their ****************, and I'm not alone in that regards. Trump's approval rating is incredible...

a few points...

You aren't "paying for the undocumented" if you don't actually pay any federal income tax. Unless a family of four earn more than $75k they pay no federal income tax. Last I checked only two hardliner states on immigration had household income averaging above $75k. (Wyoming and Idaho if memory serves).
Sure the undocumented consume healthcare, send their kids to public schools and SOME receive public assistance (mostly in sanctuary cities that do well from high income earners). But show me a single wave of European and Eastern European immigrants who never went to a hospital or had kids in school on dirt poor wages. And workers get hurt on the job and need to go to a clinic what's new about that in our history from the industrial revolution onwards? But now it's a problem when it wasn't before? Actually it was a problem before.. you had anti immigration blowhard politicians stirring nativist resentment against the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the "Chinamen", etc. and now it's the Mexican and other Latin Americans turn. Except this time we actually need an immigrant labor force like never before. The current American labor force Participation rate sits at an alarmingly low 62%. Near 40% of this entire country do not work for a living. Then they wonder why we're stuck at 2-3% GDP growth. Can't grow an economy 5 and 6% like in the Bill Clinton 1990's if you don't have enough freaking workers!!

Back to this tax burden you complain about from the undocumented. What exactly do you think happens with the fruits of undocumented labor? It is flipped for "billions and billions" (as professor Trump likes to say) in profits by their employers, mostly in agriculture. Those low wages (for high levels of productivity) is what allows millions of small and medium sized businesses to get to and expand profit margins which they then pay taxes on! Win Win?? Yes! What does the undocumented get for being a block in the creation or successful business? 401K? Health insurance benefit? Paid paternity leave? Vison and dental plan? Carried interest/deferred compensation? Oh yeah that's right he's undocumented... his reward is that his boss won't call ICE if he asks for a 50 cents raise.

The question should be how much more tax you'd be paying if our entire manual labor force up and quit depriving millions of small and medium sized farmers from earning enough to even pay federal income tax. And by the way it's these farmers in these predominantly Republican states that fight adoption of an e-verify mandate in their states. It takes DHS less than a week to verify whether an undocumented worker's papers are bogus or not. But the Republican Congresspersons want nothing to do with any e-verify because these small population states would have no way of replacing that many workers who actually show up every day without a huge increase to their costs. And with Trump's trade war costing the farmers $20 billion in short term agriculture bailouts and billions more in actual lost revenue the last thing they need is to lose their reliable and 100% illegal workforce.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

a few points...



You aren't "paying for the undocumented" if you don't actually pay any federal income tax. Unless a family of four earn more than $75k they pay no federal income tax. Last I checked only two hardliner states on immigration had household income averaging above $75k. (Wyoming and Idaho if memory serves).

Sure the undocumented consume healthcare, send their kids to public schools and SOME receive public assistance (mostly in sanctuary cities that do well from high income earners). But show me a single wave of European and Eastern European immigrants who never went to a hospital or had kids in school on dirt poor wages. And workers get hurt on the job and need to go to a clinic what's new about that in our history from the industrial revolution onwards? But now it's a problem when it wasn't before? Actually it was a problem before.. you had anti immigration blowhard politicians stirring nativist resentment against the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the "Chinamen", etc. and now it's the Mexican and other Latin Americans turn. Except this time we actually need an immigrant labor force like never before. The current American labor force Participation rate sits at an alarmingly low 62%. Near 40% of this entire country do not work for a living. Then they wonder why we're stuck at 2-3% GDP growth. Can't grow an economy 5 and 6% like in the Bill Clinton 1990's if you don't have enough freaking workers!!



Back to this tax burden you complain about from the undocumented. What exactly do you think happens with the fruits of undocumented labor? It is flipped for "billions and billions" (as professor Trump likes to say) in profits by their employers, mostly in agriculture. Those low wages (for high levels of productivity) is what allows millions of small and medium sized businesses to get to and expand profit margins which they then pay taxes on! Win Win?? Yes! What does the undocumented get for being a block in the creation or successful business? 401K? Health insurance benefit? Paid paternity leave? Vison and dental plan? Carried interest/deferred compensation? Oh yeah that's right he's undocumented... his reward is that his boss won't call ICE if he asks for a 50 cents raise.



The question should be how much more tax you'd be paying if our entire manual labor force up and quit depriving millions of small and medium sized farmers from earning enough to even pay federal income tax. And by the way it's these farmers in these predominantly Republican states that fight adoption of an e-verify mandate in their states. It takes DHS less than a week to verify whether an undocumented worker's papers are bogus or not. But the Republican Congresspersons want nothing to do with any e-verify because these small population states would have no way of replacing that many workers who actually show up every day without a huge increase to their costs. And with Trump's trade war costing the farmers $20 billion in short term agriculture bailouts and billions more in actual lost revenue the last thing they need is to lose their reliable and 100% illegal workforce.

We're not helping the situation with hyperbole from both sides. Perfectlap, you make many good points, but you project them across too broad of an expanse. (But you're much closer to reality than the fear- mongering that comes from "my side")

Here's the deal:
As long as legality remains so difficult to attain, we will have illegal immigration. Who can blame them?
As long as there are people willing to hire undocumented workers (objecting to e-verify) we will have low- wage, undocumented workers.
As long as there are central- and- south American illegal immigrants moving 4 families and 11 cars into a single- family home, who don't teach their children why it was so important for them to come to the U.S. in the first place, and who skirt the system and take advantage of the social programs the rest pay for.... yes, there will be animosity.

There needs to be a solution that includes easier access to legal status. There needs to be mandatory e-verify in every work place. This in turn means higher wages for those immigrants, and more access to social programs. It also will allow them to actually PAY-IN to the system, and get something back out of it later.
Get them out of the shadows where they can enjoy the full American dream they came here for. End the resentment on both sides by embracing their new country with love that demonstrates the reasons they came here. End the resentment from the right by letting these immigrants make a decent wage, regulated (and taxed) the same way the rest of the country is.

Our inability or unwillingness to enact reasonable immigration policies has created a caste system every bit as disgusting as those of middle-age Europe. Those immigrants who hide in the shadows and "steal" from our pockets are lower-class citizens in every sense but one: their innate rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They have those rights because they're human; but we aren't letting them exercise them here.

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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

We're not helping the situation with hyperbole from both sides. Perfectlap, you make many good points, but you project them across too broad of an expanse. (But you're much closer to reality than the fear- mongering that comes from "my side")

Here's the deal:
As long as legality remains so difficult to attain, we will have illegal immigration. Who can blame them?
As long as there are people willing to hire undocumented workers (objecting to e-verify) we will have low- wage, undocumented workers.
As long as there are central- and- south American illegal immigrants moving 4 families and 11 cars into a single- family home, who don't teach their children why it was so important for them to come to the U.S. in the first place, and who skirt the system and take advantage of the social programs the rest pay for.... yes, there will be animosity.

There needs to be a solution that includes easier access to legal status. There needs to be mandatory e-verify in every work place. This in turn means higher wages for those immigrants, and more access to social programs. It also will allow them to actually PAY-IN to the system, and get something back out of it later.
Get them out of the shadows where they can enjoy the full American dream they came here for. End the resentment on both sides by embracing their new country with love that demonstrates the reasons they came here. End the resentment from the right by letting these immigrants make a decent wage, regulated (and taxed) the same way the rest of the country is.

Our inability or unwillingness to enact reasonable immigration policies has created a caste system every bit as disgusting as those of middle-age Europe. Those immigrants who hide in the shadows and "steal" from our pockets are lower-class citizens in every sense but one: their innate rights to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They have those rights because they're human; but we aren't letting them exercise them here.

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Somebody smack me, because I agree with 99% of what you just said!!

I do not agree that resentment from the right will end when immigrants make a decent wage and pay taxes. They'll resent them for "taking their jobs." They already have things to say about Indians, Asians, Jews, Blacks.

Besides, a good portion of undocumented workers are using fake SSNs so they are not only paying taxes already, but they're also contributing to our Social Security and will never recoup the benefits.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I do not agree that resentment from the right will end when immigrants make a decent wage and pay taxes. They'll resent them for "taking their jobs." They already have things to say about Indians, Asians, Jews, Blacks.

Besides, a good portion of undocumented workers are using fake SSNs so they are not only paying taxes already, but they're also contributing to our Social Security and will never recoup the benefits.

Don't conflate the "right" with the "alt-right". That would be equivalent to me assuming that all left-of-center thinkers agree with antifa, or Bernie Sanders.

Specifically: the right doesn't have ANYTHING injurious to say against ANY of the groups you mentioned, or any others. Yes, some people do, and they claim to be part of the "right", but most of us despise their way of thinking. Traditionally, most anti-semitic rhetoric is associated with those on the left, not on the right. But for me to suggest that you don't like Jews because you're on the left would be equally offensive as your own preposterous claim of the reverse.

Let's not forget that one of the very basic values of conservativism is that we earn our way. We have the utmost respect for those who beat the odds by working hard.

I agree that a large portion of these workers (I don't think it's a majority) are using fake social security numbers. But let's not forget that, as pointed out below, it's not likely that they're paying any taxes because they're not earning enough. Regardless: wouldn't it be preferable to help them be here legally, so they could take advantage of their dream? Let's not ignore the fact that the LOUDEST voices in the anti- illegal- immigration conversation are from LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Those who are here legally are, by far, the most resentful of those who are not. That should tell us something.



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[piper6909]

Originally Posted by maytag

Don't conflate the "right" with the "alt-right". That would be equivalent to me assuming that all left-of-center thinkers agree with antifa, or Bernie Sanders.

Specifically: the right doesn't have ANYTHING injurious to say against ANY of the groups you mentioned, or any others. Yes, some people do, and they claim to be part of the "right", but most of us despise their way of thinking. Traditionally, most anti-semitic rhetoric is associated with those on the left, not on the right. But for me to suggest that you don't like Jews because you're on the left would be equally offensive as your own preposterous claim of the reverse.

Let's not forget that one of the very basic values of conservativism is that we earn our way. We have the utmost respect for those who beat the odds by working hard.

I agree that a large portion of these workers (I don't think it's a majority) are using fake social security numbers. But let's not forget that, as pointed out below, it's not likely that they're paying any taxes because they're not earning enough. Regardless: wouldn't it be preferable to help them be here legally, so they could take advantage of their dream? Let's not ignore the fact that the LOUDEST voices in the anti- illegal- immigration conversation are from LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Those who are here legally are, by far, the most resentful of those who are not. That should tell us something.



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Your 'fact' that legal immigrants are the loudest voices against illegal immigrants is blatantly false. Unless you're talking about 2nd+ generations after, which would be true by default cause we're all immigrants or descendants of. (Unless you're Native American) I am actually a 1st gen immigrant, we came here legally. But why doesn't anyone care about illegal immigration from the North? HMM???

"Jews will not replace us", "blood and soil" Those statements didn't come from Lefties. I've never heard of anyone on the left being against Jews. Maybe there are some, but to say that it's mostly from the left is another bogus comment on your part. Look at the make-up of the Republican party Vs the Democratic party. Which party has more diverse members? And how did they get there? They were VOTED in. I'm sure there are many Black and Jew Republicans, even foreign, but why aren't they getting elected? Could it be that conservative voters are becoming more and more anti-Black, Jew, Asian, Etc? I'm not saying YOU are, but just look around.

I believe that you may be an old-school conservative that holds such values, but you've been left behind by the rest of your group. Look who they support: A guy who inherited everything he has, went bankrupt 7 times and no American bank would lend to him. Let alone his moral bankruptcies, which is a topic for another conversation. They supported another rich little brat who couldn't find oil in Texas, and every piece of gold he touched turned to stone. Someone had to go behind him and clean everything up, including our country and our economy.

If conservatives 'had the utmost respect for those who've beaten the odds by working hard', they'd be putting Obama's face on Mt. Rushmore. Or Bill Clinton, for that matter. That may have been the case at one time, but there's no evidence of it anymore.

And why is it that when 'conservatives' are in control, 'Deficits don't matter', but when the're not, they're deficit hawks? No conservative ever said ******************** about deficits when Dubya was in office, nor are they saying now with Cheeto Bone-Spurs.

Show me a prominent conservative who holds to your values, please. George HW Bush and John McCain come to mind, but I think they took true conservatism to the grave with them.

If the right doesn't share the alt-right's way of thinking, why aren't we hearing about it? Where's Fox News? Why didn't they say anything when Rump talked about people from shi*thole counties? Or called for a Muslim ban? And I can tell you stories of an acquaintance in Indianapolis who is a foreign DOCTOR, but has people telling her that they want to be seen by an American. I can provide you tons of examples anti-immigrant, anti-black, Jew, etc. conservatives.

Like I said, you may be a true, old-school conservative, and I may even share some of your same values, but conservatives ain't what they used to be.

[maytag]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Your 'fact' that legal immigrants are the loudest voices against illegal immigrants is blatantly false. Unless you're talking about 2nd+ generations after, which would be true by default cause we're all immigrants or descendants of. (Unless you're Native American) I am actually a 1st gen immigrant, we came here legally. But why doesn't anyone care about illegal immigration from the North? HMM???



"Jews will not replace us", "blood and soil" Those statements didn't come from Lefties. I've never heard of anyone on the left being against Jews. Maybe there are some, but to say that it's mostly from the left is another bogus comment on your part. Look at the make-up of the Republican party Vs the Democratic party. Which party has more diverse members? And how did they get there? They were VOTED in. I'm sure there are many Black and Jew Republicans, even foreign, but why aren't they getting elected? Could it be that conservative voters are becoming more and more anti-Black, Jew, Asian, Etc? I'm not saying YOU are, but just look around.



I believe that you may be an old-school conservative that holds such values, but you've been left behind by the rest of your group. Look who they support: A guy who inherited everything he has, went bankrupt 7 times and no American bank would lend to him. Let alone his moral bankruptcies, which is a topic for another conversation. They supported another rich little brat who couldn't find oil in Texas, and every piece of gold he touched turned to stone. Someone had to go behind him and clean everything up, including our country and our economy.



If conservatives 'had the utmost respect for those who've beaten the odds by working hard', they'd be putting Obama's face on Mt. Rushmore. Or Bill Clinton, for that matter. That may have been the case at one time, but there's no evidence of it anymore.



And why is it that when 'conservatives' are in control, 'Deficits don't matter', but when the're not, they're deficit hawks? No conservative ever said ******************** about deficits when Dubya was in office, nor are they saying now with Cheeto Bone-Spurs.



Show me a prominent conservative who holds to your values, please. George HW Bush and John McCain come to mind, but I think they took true conservatism to the grave with them.



If the right doesn't share the alt-right's way of thinking, why aren't we hearing about it? Where's Fox News? Why didn't they say anything when Rump talked about people from shi*thole counties? Or called for a Muslim ban? And I can tell you stories of an acquaintance in Indianapolis who is a foreign DOCTOR, but has people telling her that they want to be seen by an American. I can provide you tons of examples anti-immigrant, anti-black, Jew, etc. conservatives.



Like I said, you may be a true, old-school conservative, and I may even share some of your same values, but conservatives ain't what they used to be.

I left this thread once because of your ignorant and inflammatory "hate-speech" (to use a vernacular you're familiar with), but I thought since we'd found some common ground you'd be a little less disgusting.
That's what I get for thinking the best of someone.

Guess I'm out again.

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[SC-986]

Originally Posted by piper6909

I do not agree that resentment from the right will end when immigrants make a decent wage and pay taxes. They'll resent them for "taking their jobs." They already have things to say about Indians, Asians, Jews, Blacks.

Kind of a one dimensional perspective. Geez!

[Starter986]

Piper... how much should I PayPal you for that 1% slap?

Hopefully not a hugely amount.

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by Starter986

Piper... how much should I PayPal you for that 1% slap?

Hopefully not a hugely amount.

I'm turning the other cheek on that one!

[piper6909]

Originally Posted by SC-986

Kind of a one dimensional perspective. Geez!

Maybe so, I'm only calling it as I see it.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by piper6909

Besides, a good portion of undocumented workers are using fake SSNs so they are not only paying taxes already, but they're also contributing to our Social Security and will never recoup the benefits.

There's $20 billion in taxes collected from undocumented workers in those coffers. Which Treasury dips into each time they need those intragovermental transfers when we bump the debt ceiling. At any rate the lowest paid workers, documented or not, purpose in our economy is NOT to pay taxes but to provide productivity for wealthier American business owners to build profits from. As their businesses become more successful they start paying higher wages which attract native born American workers. But a business needs to crawl before it can run.

So why don't we just fix the immigration system if its plainly obvious that we need a large manual labor force in an expansionary economy? simple. The GOP know full well that most of these immigrants will lean Democrat 3 to 1. George W. Bush was doing good work at pulling more of the Hispanic workers to the Republican party capturing near 45% of their vote. But then he made good on his common sense proposal to provide a pathway to citizenship and his party said "No way Jose"... his own party shot down his immigration reform bill. George W. Bush realistic pragmatism went out the window and was replaced by Trumpy demagoguery. "There's no more room people. sorry have to close the door " says professor Trump while he gets busted red handed hiring dozens of central American undocumented workers at his cheesy golf clubs. And nevemind that his own mother came to America with no education, no money, no skills, (what he now calls a meritless immigrant) and she only gained entry because of the very familial chain migration he now wants to end. Trump's mother went from living in a house/hut with a grass roof (not dissimilar to the "****************hole countries") to being a cleaning lady in a rich home to giving birth to a future President. And Trumps paternal grandfather? Welcomed into the country as a refugee who was deported from his home country for dodging the draft...

if not for chain migration and asylum for refugees we never would have had a Trump. Think of the irony of that for a second...

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

There's $20 billion in taxes collected from undocumented workers in those coffers. Which Treasury dips into each time they need those intragovermental transfers when we bump the debt ceiling. At any rate the lowest paid workers, documented or not, purpose in our economy is NOT to pay taxes but to provide productivity for wealthier American business owners to build profits from. As their businesses become more successful they start paying higher wages which attract native born American workers. But a business needs to crawl before it can run.

So why don't we just fix the immigration system if its plainly obvious that we need a large manual labor force in an expansionary economy? simple. The GOP know full well that most of these immigrants will lean Democrat 3 to 1. George W. Bush was doing good work at pulling more of the Hispanic workers to the Republican party capturing near 45% of their vote. But then he made good on his common sense proposal to provide a pathway to citizenship and his party said "No way Jose"... his own party shot down his immigration reform bill. George W. Bush realistic pragmatism went out the window and was replaced by Trumpy demagoguery. "There's no more room people. sorry have to close the door " says professor Trump while he gets busted red handed hiring dozens of central American undocumented workers at his cheesy golf clubs. And nevemind that his own mother came to America with no education, no money, no skills, (what he now calls a meritless immigrant) and she only gained entry because of the very familial chain migration he now wants to end. Trump's mother went from living in a house/hut with a grass roof (not dissimilar to the "****************hole countries") to being a cleaning lady in a rich home to giving birth to a future President. And Trumps paternal grandfather? Welcomed into the country as a refugee who was deported from his home country for dodging the draft...

if not for chain migration and asylum for refugees we never would have had a Trump. Think of the irony of that for a second...

Agreed. Not to mention Rump's in-laws who recently 'chain-migrated' here. I also think Rump should have to take the same civics test Jared proposed for immigrants.

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