09-10-2006, 07:38 AM
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"I've owned two Boxsters now and really, honestly, I don't see the huge maintenance costs. I just had my 20k service done on my 987 for 400 bucks. So, on the average of say 3k miles per oil change for a typical car, with an average cost of 50 bucks per oil change with Synthetic oil your'e at 300 bucks over the same period of time. In that period, just about any car will have to make a trip or two to the dealer for a checkup which usually isn't free. So far, my 987 has given me 20k miles with zero issues and all it cost me over that time is 400.00? Not a bad deal in my opinion, and really, it's not a gigantic difference from the average maintenance costs of a Honda Accord.. the thing I think people choke on is that it hits them all at once instead of spread out over time."
Two quick points.
The service costs rise as the miles do. Your next one will likely be $800 plus and so on.
I think the really issue on Boxster mait. costs is what happens post warranty. When you start getting bills for RMS, wheel bearings, brakes etc., it can certainly add up fast.
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09-10-2006, 07:54 AM
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I agree on that, but any car will have costs that go up, not down as the car gets older. 98/99 boxsters are 8/9 years old now!! Most people wouldn't buy a honda accord that is 8 years old knowing that they will probably need a boatload of work on normal stuff at that age. I'd still argue the difference isn't that great.
The real key is understanding just what kind of car you're buying. If you want a bulletproof mass production car with the long term reliability then you should buy your car with that in mind. Performance cars, regardless of brand, are not such vehicles and you should be prepared to maintain them. Just about any make/model has it's version of the RMS and if you go to an enthusiast site for any brand you'll see the same stuff you do here. I think too many folks make the mistake of 'forgiving' age due to the brand name and have overstated expectations as to reliability. Seems a lot of people might also buy a bit beyond their means too in the sense of buying the 90's era Boxsters due to the somewhat cheap price tag as porsches go, but not being able to afford to maintain them. Sometimes I wonder if people look past age and potential issues simply due to the brand?
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09-10-2006, 11:26 AM
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Based on anecdote and data (JD Power data for cars three yrs old) Porsche DOES NOT have the reliability reputation of other expensive cars. In addtion, the RMS issue has been around for 10 yrs, time to really fix it in my opinion.
Moreover, when broken, there are very few cheap fixes for a Boxster.
Some of us take issue with these tendencies, others do not.
Caveat Emptor.
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09-10-2006, 05:00 PM
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So Far
Bought a new 07 Toyota Avalon for the wife. Picked it up Friday. Today at 30 miles on the odometer, a CEL and VSC light came on. It's already back at the dealer. Bought the 06 Boxster in March. 6500 miles. Problems? none!!
So far the Box is more reliable than the Toyota!!
Go Colts.
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09-11-2006, 06:54 AM
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brucelee took the words out of my mouth when he said
"Two quick points.
The service costs rise as the miles do. Your next one will likely be $800 plus and so on.
I think the really issue on Boxster mait. costs is what happens post warranty. When you start getting bills for RMS, wheel bearings, brakes etc., it can certainly add up fast."
EXAMPLE:
wheel bearings 750.00 (for 2)
oil separator 2000.00
windows 500.00
Horn gasket 200.00
(i will stay away from RMS)
Wait til the new Boxster 2005+ owners have their cars for 4-5 years and then give us a review. To summarize my boxster, some days when it works it's fun, when it's broken, porsche is a 4 letter word to me.
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09-11-2006, 06:59 AM
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Aye Carumba!
$2000 for an oil sep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not the kind of news we like to read.
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09-11-2006, 11:05 AM
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yep, 2000. do you remember i spoke with you about the oil separator breaking and leaking oil into the cylinders? porsche had to take out one of cylinders and clean them along w all the sensors. porsche, "the ultimate smoking machine"
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09-11-2006, 12:40 PM
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The JD Power ratings also called Porsche #1 in initial quality just last year unless i'm mistaken.. Also, much like Consumer Reports you have to take that stuff with a grain of salt. What WERE the problems? How serious were they?
And to all those that complain about 'after the warranty ends' costs, then buy an extended warranty. Don't complain a RMS failure costs 2k when that same 2k gets you a warranty. Put away a few bucks a month while the car is under warranty and you can buy one when it's ended. Again, I say look at other websites for enthusiasts for just about any make, you'll find they all have their RMS and they all have people griping about how much things cost to fix once the warranty is gone. If ya don't like the car and you hate what it costs, why do you still have it?
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09-11-2006, 12:59 PM
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The JD Powers data for THREE YEAR quality ranks Porsche way way down the list. I think the number is #61 but can't recall exactly. There is thread on it here.
Hence, something happens betwee day 90 and day 1100 of thereabouts.
I think it is fine to gripe about the lack of long term reliability of these cars. These cars cost a ton new and I for one expect a higher standard than Porsche appears to deliver.
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