Question on 911 price - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

chiefsalami · 11-07-2006, 09:23 PM

I'm with you in that assessment, and which is why I'm looking at doing the 993.

As far as price, there is are only few other 993 C4S models in the area, one is at another local (generally quite overpriced) specialty dealership, they are asking $53k, and another is a private party also asking $55k. Yet another dealership has a black one (and I would really prefer not to have black) and twice as many miles for $40k. It seems to me like the private seller is basing his price on the asking price of the dealers, but like I said edmunds (which has been more accurate in Porsche values for me) takes into account region, color, options, etc. and calls out $33k for this car (KBB is at $40k).

Anyone work for a dealership or have a contact who could steer me to what I should pay for this car? A more expert opinion?

Brucelee · 11-08-2006, 05:30 AM

In cases where you have a somewhat rare car like this and with few around, the guides are not very useful at all. I have NOT found Edmunds to be of much value here.

I would suggest you use Auto Trader and use the advanced sort feature to figure out what asking prices are on a national basis.

If no one is listing a car for anywhere near what Edmunds says, you have your answer there.

Assume that the asking is $2-4K over the real selling price.

The 993 has increased in price quite a bit of late. To me, that is simply Porsche buyer nonsense but hey, these car prices rarely make sense, esp. Porsche prices.

Your Box will be hard to sell but you know that.

Good luck.

PS-if that car on EBAY is not local, I would forget it.

Perfectlap · 11-08-2006, 05:54 AM

me thinks a well maintained low mileage air cooled 911 will be more valueable ten years from now than a well maintained lower mileaged 996 911.

Brucelee · 11-08-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

me thinks a well maintained low mileage air cooled 911 will be more valueable ten years from now than a well maintained lower mileaged 996 911.

Probably,

But hey, who wants a large vw as a collector car?

Perfectlap · 11-08-2006, 07:01 AM

Have you ever driven a VW k.g. or beetle?
THey may sound like 911's but no VW sure as heck
drives like a 911/2/928/944/968/914 etc.

p.s.
My buddy just picked a new VW EOS. Two words: NICE!!
Steep at $38K (nevermind the claimed $28K list) for 200 HP
but this car is like nothing else on the road. A real looker up close.

Sammy · 11-08-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Have you ever driven a VW k.g. or beetle?
THey may sound like 911's but no VW sure as heck
drives like a 911/2/928/944/968/914 etc.

p.s.
My buddy just picked a new VW EOS. Two words: NICE!!
Steep at $38K (nevermind the claimed $28K list) for 200 HP
but this car is like nothing else on the road. A real looker up close.

Have you been sniffing too many car cleaner fumes? A VW sounding like a 911???

BTW - I drove my GF's new Beetle (wanted to see what her car can do on a track, not to mention I've never driven a FWD at an AX before) at an autocross a couple weekends ago and if that's what a 911 sounds like than they have problems...

BTW2 - I actually trophied with her car, granted it was 12th out of 30 something, but I can't believe I trophied with a 4 banger automatic VW Beetle on one of the higher speed AX's I've been to this season (maybe I shouldn't talk about this with such pride as someone may question my manhood...).

11-08-2006, 07:43 AM

Omg .....i was driving home last night behind the same 1996 911 4s in red . Was really nice, i think that i'd trade my boxster in for that in a heart beat....maybe not red, but it looked amazing and i couldnt keep my eyes off of it.

Adam · 11-08-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy

Have you been sniffing too many car cleaner fumes? A VW sounding like a 911???

BTW - I drove my GF's new Beetle (wanted to see what her car can do on a track, not to mention I've never driven a FWD at an AX before) at an autocross a couple weekends ago and if that's what a 911 sounds like than they have problems...

I think he was referring to older air-cooled beetles that had flat 4 engines very similar to what was in a 912 or 356. The new beetle has nothing in common with a Porsche.

Perfectlap · 11-08-2006, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammy

Have you been sniffing too many car cleaner fumes? A VW sounding like a 911???

BTW - I drove my GF's new Beetle (wanted to see what her car can do on a track, not to mention I've never driven a FWD at an AX before) at an autocross a couple weekends ago and if that's what a 911 sounds like than they have problems...

BTW2 - I actually trophied with her car, granted it was 12th out of 30 something, but I can't believe I trophied with a 4 banger automatic VW Beetle on one of the higher speed AX's I've been to this season (maybe I shouldn't talk about this with such pride as someone may question my manhood...).

I was refferring to the herbie love bug 1970's VW not the new beetle and the old karman gia sounding like an air cooled 911, well sorta, you now what I mean.
I've driven the 'new' beetle turbo thing and its actually pretty nice. I wouldn't pick up a girl for a date in that car but still kind of a novelty.

NickCats · 11-14-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammy

Have you been sniffing too many car cleaner fumes? A VW sounding like a 911???

BTW - I drove my GF's new Beetle (wanted to see what her car can do on a track, not to mention I've never driven a FWD at an AX before) at an autocross a couple weekends ago and if that's what a 911 sounds like than they have problems...

BTW2 - I actually trophied with her car, granted it was 12th out of 30 something, but I can't believe I trophied with a 4 banger automatic VW Beetle on one of the higher speed AX's I've been to this season (maybe I shouldn't talk about this with such pride as someone may question my manhood...).

Sammy,

You are such an amazing driver you would probably kick butt in a Pinto !

The sad thing is, you would have probably smoked my Box with your GF's bug

Hopefully next year with your expert instruction my times will improve...

( and if I don't keep missing that freakin' second slalom

)

Nick

chiefsalami · 11-08-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

PS-if that car on EBAY is not local, I would forget it.

That car IS local to me - just 5 minutes from my work.

Damn, my Box is in the shop getting the RMS done (which, as it turns out, was an intermediate shaft seal failure, not an RMS problem) and a new clutch and slave cylinder, and already I'm thinking about going the 993 route. Why can't I keep any car for more than a few months????

I'm going to give the suggestion of a national search a shot. Thanks,

chiefsalami · 11-08-2006, 09:35 AM

Damn, based on doing a national search, that 4S seems to be pretty reasonably priced. There are several around in the $50k range, and even several upwards of $60k. Incredible! However, if I could do 8-year financing like what this dealer is advertising, I might be able to keep my payments the same as my Box. Oh, evil thoughts....

Brucelee · 11-08-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefsalami

Damn, based on doing a national search, that 4S seems to be pretty reasonably priced. There are several around in the $50k range, and even several upwards of $60k. Incredible! However, if I could do 8-year financing like what this dealer is advertising, I might be able to keep my payments the same as my Box. Oh, evil thoughts....

8 yr payments and repair costs to. Tires, oil, gas, insurance ..........

Be very careful!!!!!!!!!!

Brucelee · 11-08-2006, 09:48 AM

"I think he was referring to older air-cooled beetles that had flat 4 engines very similar to what was in a 912 or 356. The new beetle has nothing in common with a Porsche."

Yes, I was referring to the old air cooled VW, which spawned the air cooled Porsche's. Same design, flat, air cooled engine hanging off the back end of the car.

Same clack clack sound of the engine!

chiefsalami · 11-08-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brucelee

8 yr payments and repair costs to. Tires, oil, gas, insurance ..........

Be very careful!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, but really not very different than the Box - also out of warranty, and hell I'm spending $2400 or so on the clutch and intermediate shaft seal replacement right now as it is. That's not even at the dealer, which would easily have been another $1000-$1500 just in labor costs. Tires, gas, oil, and insurance would be right around the same amount I pay now, I would venture to say.

But that raw, primitive noise is what I love about a car like an old Porsche or old VW. It would still be worth it to me. I love to ride in my friend's '86 Carrera and hear that engine going behind you....

blue2000s · 11-08-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsalami

Sure, but really not very different than the Box - also out of warranty, and hell I'm spending $2400 or so on the clutch and intermediate shaft seal replacement right now as it is. That's not even at the dealer, which would easily have been another $1000-$1500 just in labor costs. Tires, gas, oil, and insurance would be right around the same amount I pay now, I would venture to say.

But that raw, primitive noise is what I love about a car like an old Porsche or old VW. It would still be worth it to me. I love to ride in my friend's '86 Carrera and hear that engine going behind you....

1978 911SC is one of the best 911s I've driven. RAW RAW RAW!

Brucelee · 11-08-2006, 09:44 AM

If you sit next to an a/c 911, it sounds just like a old VW, only louder. Clack clacky go the valves. Whoose goes the cooling fan. In waves, the heat comes off the car!

I am not a big fan of the older 911, ie loud air cooled engine hanging out over the back end of the car. Leaks everywhere, lousy physics for handling and primitive engine engineering.

Now, give me an old 912 for "cool" value with no pretense on performance and I am so there.

Looks awesome to me!