First time I heard of this theory... IMS

[mikefocke]

Back in the day (early 1912), I was in touch with Mark Jennings (the industrial engineer specializing in vibration studies). In fact I introduced him to the BRBS folks because he was looking for a wider sample of cars so he could start building a data base that he might develop into a predictive method of detection. In between that time and BRBS, I think his local to him experiments led him to the conclusion that what worked in an industrial fixed site environment wasn't going to work for a car mounted engine and he abandoned the quest and that may well have been because of economic reasons. A manufacturing plant might spend $10k to do a replacement based on a 75% probability of the detection method just because the failure could have multi-million dollar impact on their production and they would do it during normal plant shutdown. But how many shop owners would install a costly tool that was only that accurate and who would advocate replacement on the maybe it is bad basis.

There was an article in one of his local INWR PCA newsletters.

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

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Thanks for the intro and sharing this with us Mike. Interesting.

Ok, I did clicked that link out of curiosity and the main problem I'm seeing is "Mark uses a portable, digital vibration analyzer"..

I was raising this here because I know that the key players in the IMS business are reading this and DOES actually have the dosh required to R&D this for the community. Yes, its all about funds/investment. But once you have the tool then imagine for a minute.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Nine8Six

I was raising this here because I know that the key players in the IMS business are reading this and DOES actually have the dosh required to R&D this for the community. Yes, its all about funds/investment. But once you have the tool then imagine for a minute.

To what end? The major "players" in the IMS retrofit business apparently feel that they have found a fix for the issue, and with some 30K successful retrofits by the largest, the numbers seem to back up that position. With the IMS now engineered out of Porsche engines, and the total population of non retrofitted cars with IMS bearings diminishing every day, exactly why would they embark on a costly R&D project that has less of a chance of paying their investment back with every passing day? They are a business, not a philanthropic organization working to help expand the knowledge base of the industry.

[10/10ths]

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[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by 10/10ths

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Exactly......

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by 10/10ths

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ouch, poor animal, what's the theory on little guy. Rear ball joints?

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

To what end? The major "players" in the IMS retrofit business apparently feel that they have found a fix for the issue, and with some 30K successful retrofits by the largest, the numbers seem to back up that position. With the IMS now engineered out of Porsche engines, and the total population of non retrofitted cars with IMS bearings diminishing every day, exactly why would they embark on a costly R&D project that has less of a chance of paying their investment back with every passing day? They are a business, not a philanthropic organization working to help expand the knowledge base of the industry.

I have no doubt (personally) that these guys have indeed fixed that silly imb problem (thanks to them for that indeed)

You didn't think for a second that all of those 30K happy customers would pass on this opportunity did you? Not even taking into account all the small dudes like myself, those who only has this as a 'preventative' option. Jeff, I'd buy 2 (two) just to make sure I have a spare kit in case.

EDit: deleted the 'concept' part, but did sent it to you by PM. Send it to your friend pls

(I'm out bud, thanks for everything you do for us btw. Too cool)

[mikefocke]

Actually, the major players were very aware at the time of the predictive vibration analysis theory (it helps my memory to have my last 12k emails archived.)

And I suspect the major players are already moving on to the next generation of engines and what they can do for those that will make them money. Time marches on. They have overheads to cover, people to pay, lives to live, and races to run.

[Nine8Six]

Originally Posted by mikefocke

Actually, the major players were very aware at the time of the predictive vibration analysis theory

I'm sure they did

but but but... at the time the high resolution accelerometer sensors were the size of your fist, micro-controllers/computers as slow as my desk clock, and they couldn't pair this with anything else other than using huge core cabling lolll

in contrast; today we have sensors the size of a penny, much faster mhz, ARM microcomputers possibly as fast if not more than the PC you are typing with now, and pairing made easy with literally 'any' devices.

Me think this whole idea needs review but indeed not cheap and I think Jeff made a point so...

[jb92563]

I have an IMS solution. Dead Donkey Approach to IMS risk.

Just drive to your hearts content until the damm thing dies and then auction the car off after its failed, but dont tell anyone the IMS has failed.

Read Below!


Dead Donkey Parable:

A city boy, moved to the country and
bought a donkey from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer
agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.

The next day the farmer came by to announce, "Sorry son,
but I have some bad news, the donkey died." Kenny replied,
"Well then, just give me my money back." "Can't do that.
I went and spent it already," confessed the farmer.

Kenny thought for a moment, then decided, "OK then, just
unload the donkey (Boxster) ." The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do
with him?" "I'm going to raffle him (Boxster) off." "You can't raffle off
a dead donkey (Boxster) !" argued the farmer. "Sure I can," enjoined Kenny.
"Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead."

A month later the farmer met up with Kenny and asked,
"What happened with that dead donkey (Boxster)?" Kenny proudly
responded, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at
two ($25) dollars a piece and made a profit of $898.00 ($8,000)."

The farmer was stunned. "$898.00 ($8,000)? Hmm Didn't anyone complain?"
Kenny replied, "Just the guy who won.
So I gave him his two ($25) dollars back."