EPS IMS Bearing Upgrade Kit

[Boxtaboy]

Thanks JFP. I guess my risk tolerance is pretty high. Mine's an 01 (produced in 2000), so I prob have the most risky version single row.

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by Boxtaboy

Thanks JFP. I guess my risk tolerance is pretty high. Mine's an 01 (produced in 2000), so I prob have the most risky version single row.

Wouldn't bet on that, we have seen many 2001's carrying the dual rows.

[Boxtaboy]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

Wouldn't bet on that, we have seen many 2001's carrying the dual rows.

Good, so you're saying I have a chance!

[78F350]

Some related 2013-2014 posts that really stood out to me:

Another IMS bearing thread
-Introduces the roller bearing (Eternal Fix).
-Jamesp details his own solution.
-Jake Raby makes some significant comments.
-Who is 'Walter White' and what happened to him?

http://986forum.com/forums/boxster-parts-sale-wanted/54949-porsche-engines-sale.html
-Hidden in the Classified Ads section.
-Some strong opinions come out quickly.
-Somewhere among the flames there is some good contrast drawn between roller bearing and ball bearing solutions.
-Wayne elects to lock the thread before the riot police are called in.

[fanguy]

thom7482,

You are correct. Out of the various products available people will tend to choose the one that fits in their schema. The was an interesting study I think from U of Kanas. The took people who felt capital punishment work and those that didn’t. Gave them research data that was contrary to their held belief. About 70% changed their belief with the new validated research. Then they were told the research was all made up and their original belief was correct and then asked how many wanted to go back to their original belief. I think it was only about 20%. The reality is we will never get true data on the efficacy of the virous IMSB options.

Do your research and each will find an option for them and hopefully be comfortable
with.

[p3230]

We are all beside the point here. The gentlemen asked a question that was very simple to ask and a simple answer would have sufficed. The question was "Has anyone tried this, looks like a very robust solution:"IMS Bearing Upgrade Kit | EPS those that did could have answered with there opinion and the others could have just shut up not bash him. Anyways to the bashers all these threads that start with a legit question all end up with no valuable answer or a dead end. There I spoke my piece and now leave it alone.

[jrebot2]

I wish everyone the best of luck. In the future, I will try a search.

Thanks for your help. I think Im going to go with the LN IMS Solution.

I just sold my 2002 S with 39k miles and bought a 2005 S

[jrebot2]

And for the record, Im sorry I got mad. I just asked a question. I am new to this forum and to Boxster S cars this year and I know you guys have been doing this for a while. I have been a vette, mercedes guy.

I have an 02s i am selling on Monday and I bought a 05 987s. Im looking to do the ims on it, it has 26k orig miles.

[dghii]

Very nice looking car. Best of luck with it.

[jrebot2]

Thanks. I wish you luck with your car too!

[particlewave]

Yeah, same here. I can be a bit blunt, but we are all in the same boat. Sorry about that. My point in my first post was that debates over the IMS options get ugly quick and I (and most here) prefer to keep things light and avoid confrontation...which I failed at miserably in this thread, haha

That's a beautiful 987 and don't feel like you aren't welcome here. The 986 and 987 are still very similar and there are plenty of guys here with the 987, so plenty of help and discussion to be had.

FWIW, I think the roller bearing is superior to any single row ball bearing, ceramic hybrid or not. However, if I replaced my double row bearing, I'd probably favor a double row ceramic hybrid ball bearing over roller.
Single - roller bearing.
Double - ceramic hybrid ball bearing.

[jrebot2]

Thank you. Im looking at either the ceramic or if larger, sealed bearing, DOF and oil filter adapter. Im having my mechanic look at car and go from there. I dont know if mine is serviceable or is the larger single row. Thank you.

[hihobruce]

Mr. Wave. You like to keep things light? Do you moderate the forum? This turned into a pretty informative thread after all, in spite of the name calling (jerk face?)

[dghii]

Originally Posted by particlewave

Yeah, same here. I can be a bit blunt, but we are all in the same boat. Sorry about that. My point in my first post was that debates over the IMS options get ugly quick and I (and most here) prefer to keep things light and avoid confrontation...which I failed at miserably in this thread, haha

That's a beautiful 987 and don't feel like you aren't welcome here. The 986 and 987 are still very similar and there are plenty of guys here with the 987, so plenty of help and discussion to be had.

FWIW, I think the roller bearing is superior to any single row ball bearing, ceramic hybrid or not. However, if I replaced my double row bearing, I'd probably favor a double row ceramic hybrid ball bearing over roller.
Single - roller bearing.
Double - ceramic hybrid ball bearing.

PW.
Nice post!

I've had my car over 8 years.. I've sold three other Boxsters along the way. Even with my so-so abilities, I find that my DYI knowledge of the Box is above my new owners....
It appears I have become a personal mechanic to the cars I've sold as I've sold all cars to long time friends. Can't seem to break free but I realize that, perhaps, it is my way of paying for all the good, free advice I've received on this and other forums.

[thom4782]

Originally Posted by particlewave

FWIW, I think the roller bearing is superior to any single row ball bearing, ceramic hybrid or not. However, if I replaced my double row bearing, I'd probably favor a double row ceramic hybrid ball bearing over roller.
Single - roller bearing.
Double - ceramic hybrid ball bearing.

Well, in the spirit of FWIW, there is no reason to replace a single row bearing with another single row bearing. LN Engineering offers a ceramic double row retrofit as well as the plain bearing Solution for single row cars. Moreover, there is no objective evidence that pressurized oil feeds extend the IMSB operating lifetimes

[Tweedboru]

Hi All , great discussion subject
Bought my mid 2001 Boxster a year ago, a 2.7L with 167K km.
DIY Preventative maintenance ?
Removed the IMS bearing, it was NSK DOUBLE row ballrace still in very good condition, both seals were in place, no grease, bearing full of engine oil, also about 100ml (1/2 cup) inside the IMS hollow shaft.
Re-assembled with new NSK bearing SEALS REMOVED, new RMS and clutch
Using Penrite Full syn oil 15w50 SN/CF ACEA A3/B4 high zinc.
Past 170K km runs like a Rolex so far so good.
Regards Brian

[jaykay]

Yes, one must consider the value of hybrid rolling element friction characteristics in the application. Rollers although higher in capacity can be more prone to skidding if there is lubrication problems especially when thrust is present. When I was last into this I couldn't get a cylindrical roller made in a ceramic....so I used ceramic ball rolling elements to great effect in aggressive lubrication environments.

I also put a dual ceramic ball rolling element bearing in my M96 to cover all the bases, based on my experience and unknowns at that time

Originally Posted by particlewave

Yeah, same here. I can be a bit blunt, but we are all in the same boat. Sorry about that. My point in my first post was that debates over the IMS options get ugly quick and I (and most here) prefer to keep things light and avoid confrontation...which I failed at miserably in this thread, haha

That's a beautiful 987 and don't feel like you aren't welcome here. The 986 and 987 are still very similar and there are plenty of guys here with the 987, so plenty of help and discussion to be had.

FWIW, I think the roller bearing is superior to any single row ball bearing, ceramic hybrid or not. However, if I replaced my double row bearing, I'd probably favor a double row ceramic hybrid ball bearing over roller.
Single - roller bearing.
Double - ceramic hybrid ball bearing.

[ksjohn]

An update to my EPS IMS bearing.

Installed about 2 years ago. A little over 24,000 miles on it so far. Original 2 row bearing was in a state of failure when removed (lots of metal in filter and IM shaft, bearings still in retainers but substantially worn). I try to change the oil every 5K, replace filter every 2.5 to inspect. Have dropped sump twice since bearing install to inspect, no debris found yet.

Engine sounds and runs great at 111,000 miles. I hope it continues to do so!

[Geof3]

The price point is much more reasonable with the EPS, and the roller bearing just makes sense. I think the oil fed option could be good, but from the general consensus, bang for the buck, a bit over kill. EPS does have an oil fed option, for not much more. When it comes time, the non-fed roller is the option I will take in my 02s.

[Geof3]

It seems LN just released, or is about to release a roller bearing. It is under the R&D section, but not sure if it is avail yet. Has a 2 yr warranty.