LN bearing failure

[steved0x]

Originally Posted by coreseller

jake, i don't know how you can stomach some of these asshats.

Tonicristi and porsche-land are relative newbys to the forum with obvious axes to grind.

Have they ever posted up to help someone out?

Has jake?

There's your answer.

If you don't want to deal with or purchase something from jake don't, coming onto forums to publicly bash your competition is pretty poor form and very unbecoming...........just sayin'

+100000000000

[j.fro]

ouch, my eyes, my eyes!! I can't unsee the horror!!

honestly, i really hate this thread, but it's tough not to read and be informed.

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

So, you got banned from Rennlist for your behavior, and now you are here trying to start a mess?

A blind man can see straight through your motive with this post. In your video link it would help if you'd offer some narration, otherwise it appears that you are a mime, right down to the gloves.

When your technology (actually its not yours) is applied near 25,000 times, and people all over have installed them, you might graduate to a level high enough where a component fails.

Under my roof we have completed 400 IMS Retrofit procedures, dating all the way back to a time prior to 2007. Out of those we have not experienced a single failure of any IMS Retrofit product. Why? Because of the regimen that I developed and the post- process support and instruction that we provide to the vehicle owners. Qualifying the engine prior to the IMSR is just one part of the process, the job is not done when the car is finished; we must ensure the owner uses premium quality engine oil, and services the engine every 5K miles or 6 months.

That said, say what you want, the Lion isn't concerned with the opinion of the Lamb. No one will know the variables behind that failure, but what I want to know is why are you posting it, and why isn't the owner concerned enough to report this through the proper channels? Everyone reading this knows why.

FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION: We got banned from Rennlist for not being a sponsor. They do not allow advertising your company or products if you do not pay them for it. This is the only reason we got banned from there. We never got a change to get a sponsorship, you don't get banned for telling the truth.
People, research the beginning of Porsche forums, and it's history! Porsche also sent them letters in the past forbidding to use their name. We have changed the name of our company for the same exact reason, but we're still the same people doing the same work.

Owner just found out yesterday, so I guess he hasn't had time to report it yet. I assume he will want his $800 back (LOL), which he paid for a $150 part, and eventually cost him 16k. No matter who would sell these bearings, I would post the same thing anyway, because this design is faulty. Anyone else would have already admitted there is something wrong, and changes would have to be made. But not in this case.
I respect you for being good at what you do, but seeing what an ass... you can be sometimes, you loose my respect at the same time. I follow your posts too, and I see notorious contradictory statements, and I think you are over promoting yourself. You don't need it, you already do a great job, and people know you very well. Every time you go overboard and keep feeding people bs, I will point it out. Here's an example: I saw your post regarding your metal scrap. You brag about how much scrap you just threw out, supposedly from the last 6 months. That's not even 1 truck load, but it's still a lot of scrap. I remember you saying on Rennlist, maybe a couple of months ago, supposedly you just took a few army trucks worth of scrap to the yard. You needed to brag about yourself then, and now looks like you finally took it there. See what I mean? You say that you have 80 engine cores, and you ask us if we have a 3.8l crank shaft and case for sale. You have purchased our parts in the past. Let me give you this advise: tell the truth, because it's easy to remember.
You have called me a mime, I do my job right, no need to narrate it. That's how I've been brought up, I do not have to talk about my work, it speaks for itself. I don't need to narrate what is plain to see. Unlike your videos, which most are exaggerated and have horror music added to raise the tension.
Privately, if I ever wanted to install IMS upgrade in my car I'd go with the roller bearing, or if I had more money to spend I'd buy your solution. It's sad that nobody cannot admit that retrofit does have some faults, which can be very costly. Customer who just lost 16k will be able to receive his $800 back in the best case scenario.
We recently had a customer who called to ask about the IMS replacement. He has been doing his research online and on the forums. We have advised him against the retrofit, and offered him a roller bearing. He wasn't sure about this option, since he hasn't heard about it before. Then, he asked if there's anything else we know about, money is not the issue. We recommended your solution, because we know it's a good design. We always say the truth, if something is good, it's good, if it's bad, it's bad, that's the bottom line.
I'm not going to fight with you or anyone else publicly. I just have my own opinion and I'm free to express it. If people will keep buying retrofit, it's only more work for you or me

[Gelbster]

This Porscheland guy also used at least two different identities on Rennlist to try to conceal his 'activities'. He was also abusive, repeatedly.Just as he is in this thread.
There was a very long and patient attempt to get technical test data from him regarding the inherent weaknesses of the cylindrical roller(as opposed to deep groove ball) bearing IMSB he uses . He had no data,no technical rebuttal.Just abusive responses to technical questions.
That was a pity because we diy owners would love to have a better/cheaper IMSB solution.
Unless the technical objections against using a cylindrical roller bearing in this application are overcome it remains an unsatisfactory product compared to a plain bearing or a deep groove ball bearing(1, 1-1/2 or 2 row).
The inherent deficiencies of the cylindrical roller bearing as an IMSB have been discussed many,many times. Nobody (so far) has offered a way of overcoming these problems.
As forum members we have an unwritten obligation to call out defective products and abusive posts.Please consider this to be one such call.
I hope the Moderator intervenes.

[Perfectlap]

Why would anyone do a $16K rebuild and not remove the IMS altogether?
Was a direct oil feed introduced to mitigate the possibility of IMSB failure?
Has it not been established that the inherent flaw in the use of sealed bearing, inside of an engine, is that either oil starvation or contamination can exacerbate an ageing bearing or a defective one?

It seems to me that the very point of a rebuild (that exceeds the replacement cost of the vehicle) is that the most documented modes of failure are addressed as affirmatively as possible.

Why would someone leave a variable in the equation that could sink the whole expense?

Obviously there many ways that these engines can fail and one can spend much more than $16K, but this particular mode of failure is basically defying you to ignore it once you have the whole engine is apart.

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by Gelbster

This Porscheland guy also used at least two different identities on Rennlist to try to conceal his 'activities'. He was also abusive, repeatedly.Just as he is in this thread.
There was a very long and patient attempt to get technical test data from him regarding the inherent weaknesses of the cylindrical roller(as opposed to deep groove ball) bearing IMSB he uses . He had no data,no technical rebuttal.Just abusive responses to technical questions.
That was a pity because we diy owners would love to have a better/cheaper IMSB solution.
Unless the technical objections against using a cylindrical roller bearing in this application are overcome it remains an unsatisfactory product compared to a plain bearing or a deep groove ball bearing(1, 1-1/2 or 2 row).
The inherent deficiencies of the cylindrical roller bearing as an IMSB have been discussed many,many times. Nobody (so far) has offered a way of overcoming these problems.
As forum members we have an unwritten obligation to call out defective products and abusive posts.Please consider this to be one such call.
I hope the Moderator intervenes.

Great you have mentioned this, are you talking about the transmission guy from Ga? We have read this tread, and had a great laugh. The poor guy has been accused of being us and posting on rennlist after being banned, lol. He had no clue what everyone was talking about. He has a point about the roller bearings. But it's not us, you can google his username and details he provided in his post, and you will see this is a legitimate person who works on transmissions in Ga. From what i can remember it's Ga Precision Gear. Feel free to give him a call to confirm! He has no clue about us or previous treads, so he didn't understand everyone's comments in that tread. He purchased a roller bearing from Vertex, our competition, they sell the same roller bearings, just kit is different. He posted that he works with transmissions every day, and he knows that if everyone has used roller type bearing, none of them would break. He got smothered by all your comments, and gave up in the end. There's no way to win with all of you. He knows what I know, that's the bottom line- roller bearings are better than ball.
AMONG THE BLIND THE ONE-EYED IS KING.

[porsche-land]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Why would anyone do a $16K rebuild and not remove the IMS altogether?
Was a direct oil feed introduced to mitigate the possibility of IMSB failure?
Has it not been established that the inherent flaw in the use of sealed bearing, inside of an engine, is that either oil starvation or contamination can exacerbate an ageing bearing or a defective one?

It seems to me that the very point of a rebuild (that exceeds the replacement cost of the vehicle) is that the most documented modes of failure are addressed as affirmatively as possible.

Why would someone leave a variable in the equation that could sink the whole expense?

Obviously there many ways that these engines can fail and one can spend much more than $16K, but this particular mode of failure is basically defying you to ignore it once you have the whole engine is apart.

Read my op again, you got it all wrong. He's out total 16k, including the newly rebuilt motor from us. That is 4k ln upgrade+clutch+aos, our rebuilt motor, local installation, etc... Our rebuilt motor has a roller bearing installed, as always.

[Jake Raby]

I'll not engage any further, there's no need.

I'll just leave this right here for ya. Happy Easter!

[tonichristi]

^^^ More self serving crap.

[tonichristi]

Originally Posted by Timco

And you are the 'person' who was ordered by Porsche USA to Cease and Desist using their good name? I'll personally make this call later today.

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They can't control user names on forums, genius. :

Originally Posted by Timco

Your posts are far more "unprofessional" and mud slinging at best, and always show up after a Raby post. .

#1 - I've only posted a few replies to Rabies posts, nowhere near close to "always".

#2 - Why would it matter if my posts are unprofessional? I'm not on here trying to convince you to buy something (like someone else).

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

They can't control user names on forums, genius. :






#1 - I've only posted a few replies to Rabies posts, nowhere near close to "always".

#2 - Why would it matter if my posts are unprofessional? I'm not on here trying to convince you to buy something (like someone else).

Can you feel the love? Tonichristi, have you ever considered Inspirational Speaking as a secondary career? I'm totally awed by the beneficial effect of your presence, as a result of your positive energy I hereby nominate you for Oracle Status!!!!

[jb92563]

Holy hell, this is all very confusing, Roller vs LN solution now.
I've been away from the forum for 6 months so I guess I missed some new developments?

Too many variables involved to say why one failed when others did not so we can go by the Best numbers and assume that is the best scenario of a well maintained, healthy engine with a perfect install of the bearing and driven reasonably well.

Anyone got some numbers?

Maybe we need a thread "Who drove the furthest on their replaced IMS bearing so far"

I think we know the factory ones are hit and miss in the 20k to 60k range ?

Surely someone has driven the LN solution that far at least by now.

The rollers sound like something new so perhaps the mileage on those installs is not there yet?

[JFP in PA]

Originally Posted by tonichristi

They can't control user names on forums, genius. :

Actually, as the owner of the copyright, they can if they so choose. "Personal use" is not a defense against infringement of the copyright laws.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by coreseller

Can you feel the love? Tonichristi, have you ever considered Inspirational Speaking as a secondary career? I'm totally awed by the beneficial effect of your presence, as a result of your positive energy I hereby nominate you for Oracle Status!!!!

+1 on that! Guy has never added anything of value to these forums that I can tell. Likes to bash others for sharing their opinion - but yet it's okay for him to share his ALWAYS negative opinion.

[Jamesp]

Ok, so y'all are killin' me. Here I am a hick engineer in Texas and the spelling, punctuation, and grammar in the preceding posts is atrocious. If y'all are intent on spewing bile on one another, at least do so without the inevitable obfuscation inherent in poor articulation, grammar, incorrect names, and missspellings. Really, get it together or go get beer. Is everyone else taking this as seriously as I am?

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by JFP in PA

Actually, as the owner of the copyright, they can if they so choose. "Personal use" is not a defense against infringement of the copyright laws.

Someone better let forum members Porsche9 and Porsche Chick know that and they need to change their names. I'm kidding of course, I love reading their post and think their names are cool.

Since people are not happy with this porsche-land fellows post, it's time to call Porsche on him. Childish if you ask me.

Let Jake deal with this thread, as he has done. Any regular poster here knows Jake is the M96 specialist above anyone else that post here. Jake continues to improve his inventions, he isn't set on this is good enough.

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I'll not engage any further, there's no need.

I'll just leave this right here for ya. Happy Easter!

[Timco]

Durrrrr...Porsche USA served us with a Cease & Desist but we will still post under that name...Look at us!!! Get a life. Yeah, I'd trust my Porsche to this guy......not. Porsche-Land. Are you a real Porsche affiliate???

Same with tonitroll. Get a life and post something worth reading.....

[Redboxs]

Well that escalated quickly. Can't we all get along

[coreseller]

Originally Posted by Redboxs

Well that escalated quickly. Can't we all get along

If you had been around for awhile you'd understand...........

Jake Raby has been a forum sponsor for quite a few years and has offered countless posts helping out forum members looking for assistance. The other two (porsche-land and tonichristi) have proven themselves to be wannabe whining ********************es going out of their way to abrade ANYONE with common sense.

Doubt me? Go to their profiles and read their prior posts.................Loser Trolls.

[jdraupp]

What I find funny about all this is "porsche land" is in Schaumburg, illinois. There are a ton of owners who live in the chicagoland area, myself being one of them. Due solely to the lack of professionalism in his posts and by his minion, I'd sooner set my car on fire than give him my business. And its also funny to me that when you look up the guys who are the who's who of Porsche service around Chicago, you'll never find their shop mentioned once.