Go Back   986 Forum - for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners > Porsche Boxster & Cayman Forums > Boxster General Discussions

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-20-2013, 07:19 AM   #1
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
986 S vs 996

So I have had my 01 996 cab for well over a month now and after many back to back drives with my 03 S i am really seeing the difference between the 2 . These 2 cars appear to be very similar but they have absolutely nothing in common. At first you notice the extra power of the 996 and the compactness of the boxster .
The boxster with the ROW suspension is tight but compliant , like a go kart you can attack corners and turns will little regard for your welfare. it feels light and steering feedback is more present . the 911 on the other hand does not feel nearly as fluid even with PSS9s you still feel the weight but it does give new meaning to "corners exits" . The 911 feels much larger than it is. the cockpit has a cozier feeling with all the tall glass that surrounds you . The 911 cab top is a complicated rattle box compared to the boxsters simple tight top. I can go on and on but my point is that both of these cars feel great and I think these 2 cars compliment each other . I was going to fork out the dough and get a 997 at the cost of losing the boxster. 996 prices have fallen to the point of boxster prices of a few years ago. so you can enjoy both for the cost of a single 997 . I highly recommend it !

jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 07:26 AM   #2
recycledsixtie
 
recycledsixtie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Edmonton Canada
Posts: 824
Garage
I have really tried to like the 996. I test drove recently a 2001 996 but it did not come near the thrills of my Boxster 2001 base. It is somehow too smooth, too fluid. Obviously it has way more power than my Box. Other than having the occasional back seat it provides little advantage to me. If you can have both great. The stealership wanted my car plus $25k. Not a chance of that happening.
recycledsixtie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 07:56 AM   #3
Registered User
 
Perfectlap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 8,696
I more or less had the same impression when I first drove the 996 C2 and then the 996 Cab. I felt you were giving up a lot in the Cab. Then I drove the 986S and I was sold: if you want a drop top Porsche this is the car to drive, no contest. A bit too much understeer in the Boxster S but a hell of a lot better than the Cab and certainly better than C4S by a long way.
I later drove a 997.1 Cab and was really surprised how little it improved (front end lift on hard cross winds over a bridge). The 997.2 Cab however was a big improvement. much tigher all around but still felt like a grand touring car.

At any rate, anything 996 is a tremendous value today. This is a car that takes any weekend warrior within a couple of seconds of the same lap in a 996 Cup. That speaks for itself. And the car is not a leaky chore with expensive engine rebuilding as a regular part of long term maintenance like its predecessors. Take FloridaBill on this forum for example, he's probably up to 300K on his engine at this point with nothing more than oil changes, spark plugs and a couple of water pumps, surely there must be 996's out there with the same. The 996 is the Carrera you can drive without freaking out about how much the value has gone down with ever 10K added to the odometer, the workhorse 911.
__________________
GT3 Recaro Seats - Boxster Red
GT3 Aero / Carrera 18" 5 spoke / Potenza RE-11
Fabspeed Headers & Noise Maker
BORN: March 2000 - FINLAND
IMS#1 REPLACED: April 2010 - NEW JERSEY -- LNE DUAL ROW

Last edited by Perfectlap; 10-20-2013 at 08:05 AM.
Perfectlap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 07:57 AM   #4
Registered User
 
Nine8Six's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Montreal, QC. (currently expat to Shanghai)
Posts: 3,085
I'm an expat in China (Shanghai). My 986 2.5 '97 with 47,000km is worth RMB225,000 on the market (US$35,714.28). Had many offer already and I keep getting them regularly. Dealer trade it at RMB150,000 (US$23,809.52).

996 here are on average RMB400,000 (US$63,492.06). Low mileage and excellent condition = MORE!

Have a go at ֳ_ֳг_ֳ - 51 and type the Pcar model in the to search engine. You US/CA based dudes should not complain too much
__________________
______________________________
'97 Boxster base model 2.5L, Guards Red/Tan leather, with a new but old Alpine am/fm radio.
Nine8Six is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 08:06 AM   #5
Certified Boxster Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 7,505
For me, the reason to get a 996 was to experience a completely different viewpoint of what Porsche thinks a sports car should be. The 996 interior is larger, the engine is more powerful, and the unique balance and handling create a driving experience that is nothing like the Boxster. They really are completely different cars. Its not about which one is "better" (as if that could ever be decided!).

I want to live and feel the full range of the Porsche driving experience. This is also why I also bought the 944 Turbo - another completely different view of what a Porsche sports car could/should be. The Boxster is incredible but its just a single iteration of the Porsche viewpoint. Porsche front engine vs mid-engine vs rear engine - I can walk out to my garage and experience the difference daily. When one of my friends wants to debate some aspect of these designs, we pull out the car and go drive it! Of course, next on my list is to own an old 911 so I can experience the Porsche air-cooled viewpoint and everything that goes along with it.

Additionally, we are living in an age where decent examples of various generations of Porsche sports cars are well within reasonable financial reach ($10K-$15K each). For the price of a new 981 (or BMW or Merc), you can own your own personal Porsche collection. I like to call it the "High-Mileage DIY-Repaired Porsche Drivers Collection".

Last, there are some great deals on 996's out there (<$15K), you just have to look. Here is a link to my $10K 996: http://986forum.com/forums/general-discussions/44227-986-wrecked-got-996-today.html
__________________
1999 996 C2 - sold - bought back - sold for more
1997 Spec Boxster BSR #254
1979 911 SC
POC Licensed DE/TT Instructor

Last edited by thstone; 10-20-2013 at 09:55 AM.
thstone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 09:27 AM   #6
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
The 911 is a harder car to drive faster . I think it takes quite a bit of time to figure out the rear engine nuances . The boxster is a car that you can just jump in and go . I must say I have been having a blast driving this 996 . You really need more than a 10 minute test drive. I find it amusing the different responses you get from boxster owners who never drove a 911 as I was one of them until recently and 996 owners who know very little about the boxster.
jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 09:42 AM   #7
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 691
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacabean View Post
The 911 is a harder car to drive faster . I think it takes quite a bit of time to figure out the rear engine nuances . The boxster is a car that you can just jump in and go . I must say I have been having a blast driving this 996 . You really need more than a 10 minute test drive. I find it amusing the different responses you get from boxster owners who never drove a 911 as I was one of them until recently and 996 owners who know very little about the boxster.
This. Both communities are highly biased (although I think the 911 crew moreso).

As a community, the 911 folks tend to modify their cars more. For example, a high percentage upgrades their suspensions.

How many old 911s are on their original suspension (very few).
What percentage of 986 Boxsters? Most.

Imagine how good a 986S can be if you were willing to upgrade a few things?




/
__________________
SOLD - 2002 Boxster S - PSM, Litronics, De-ambered, Bird Bike Rack, Hardtop, RMS leak...
fatmike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 11:01 AM   #8
Registered User
 
Perfectlap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 8,696
^The bias of (some) 911 owners is one of the highest on a inter-brand basis. I'm really surprised how many times I've heard folks say "have you thought about upgrading to a Carrera?". My internal reaction to that has always been "why would I want a grand touring?". I'm after a roadster, a wholly different kind of car. It's amazing how Porsche's marketing department were able to get people to forget that sport car categories actually mean something. For instance I'll hear someone say "I upgraded to a GT3 from a Turbo Cab". Again, one is a track tool the other is plush highway cruiser. How is that an upgrade? An upgrade is a GT3 to RS, or a Cayenne base to Cayenne Turbo -- and not about crossing categories. I'm not sure if this 'blurring' of sports car classes exists with enthusiasts from other brands but it makes me wonder if the typical Porsche owner really is a sports car driver or more an image-chaser.

When I sold my old car the buyer from South Florida looked at my Boxster S and said "you know I considered a Porsche but down there people say 'oh you have that Porsche but you don't have this or that more expenisve version' so I didn't bother at all". LOL.
__________________
GT3 Recaro Seats - Boxster Red
GT3 Aero / Carrera 18" 5 spoke / Potenza RE-11
Fabspeed Headers & Noise Maker
BORN: March 2000 - FINLAND
IMS#1 REPLACED: April 2010 - NEW JERSEY -- LNE DUAL ROW

Last edited by Perfectlap; 10-20-2013 at 11:06 AM.
Perfectlap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 01:42 PM   #9
Registered User
 
jacabean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: mass
Posts: 731
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfectlap View Post
^The bias of (some) 911 owners is one of the highest on a inter-brand basis. I'm really surprised how many times I've heard folks say "have you thought about upgrading to a Carrera?". My internal reaction to that has always been "why would I want a grand touring?". I'm after a roadster, a wholly different kind of car. It's amazing how Porsche's marketing department were able to get people to forget that sport car categories actually mean something. For instance I'll hear someone say "I upgraded to a GT3 from a Turbo Cab". Again, one is a track tool the other is plush highway cruiser. How is that an upgrade? An upgrade is a GT3 to RS, or a Cayenne base to Cayenne Turbo -- and not about crossing categories. I'm not sure if this 'blurring' of sports car classes exists with enthusiasts from other brands but it makes me wonder if the typical Porsche owner really is a sports car driver or more an image-chaser.

When I sold my old car the buyer from South Florida looked at my Boxster S and said "you know I considered a Porsche but down there people say 'oh you have that Porsche but you don't have this or that more expenisve version' so I didn't bother at all". LOL.
This is so true , after hanging around on the 911 forum I find they wrench much less on their own cars vs 986 forum members and this lack of knowledge really shows how little a lot of them know. I told a member that the 986 S has the same brakes as a 996 c2 and he thought that was not possible .
jacabean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2013, 02:39 PM   #10
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Midwest
Posts: 1,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by jacabean View Post
This is so true , after hanging around on the 911 forum I find they wrench much less on their own cars vs 986 forum members and this lack of knowledge really shows how little a lot of them know. I told a member that the 986 S has the same brakes as a 996 c2 and he thought that was not possible .
The air cooled guys do mostly their own wrenching and it is mainly suspension related, the guys I have gotten to know are great and would do anything to help another member out. I have yet to meet one who I would consider snobbish in any way.

From what I have seen over the past couple of years (and this isn't a jab, I know many are sensitive here) there is rarely a reason to get into the motor, not kidding. I had delved fairly deeply into both of the Porsches I have owned, my 1996 993 is built like a freakin tank compared to the '02 Boxster S I owned for 6 years, absolutely no comparison.

Regarding the upgrade it is simple (regardless of whether the car suits your needs); in Porsche terms, or any other make I can think of, when you spend more money you are upgrading.

coreseller is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page