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Old 10-07-2005, 12:24 PM   #1
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A local TV station here in Houston did a report on these devices as Houston has the sensors on most every stop light in town.

The broadcaster went with the fire chief in the fire chief's car through a couple of intersections with his *authorized* strobe box, which turned his lights green quickly.

This was just to insure the signal switching was working.

Then the broadcaster took the *unauthorized, illegal-to-use unit* he bought off the internet and put it on the dash and the fire chief turned off his own unit off.

They both worked identically.

The reporter asked the fire chief and an HPD officer if they were legal to use and safe and this is what these city officials told him:
1) Their use is illegal in Houston (and probably most everywhere else) and if a peace officer of any branch discovers you are using one you'll be arrested for interfering with traffic flow, blocking an intersection, etc. Suspicion of the use of this device warrants a search and seizure.
2) Private use of these units can cause accidents. The emergency vehicle's lights and siren are not present, and the signal lights are changing in what appears to be erradic fashion.

I think I'll sit patiently at the stop lights, wait for it to turn green, count to five so the most eager driver can get into the intersection first, and then take off. I always let others enter the intersection first because they're always the ones being Tboned by the idiot running a red light just a second after it's changed from yellow.
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Old 10-07-2005, 12:57 PM   #2
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When I was vacationing in Pureto Rico in some not-so-city-like towns red lights at night were completely ignored. They acted more as stop signs. And the police never hassled anyone.
That was a three week break when I got home I felt silly waiting in the middle of the night by myself for a red light to change. ANd in some areas up here in NYC/NJ(newark!) you are better off not waiting around.
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Old 10-07-2005, 01:57 PM   #3
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Hi, it is you that is missing the point.

Was it just me or was everyone else waiting for MNB to quote some statistic or link...? From a study conducted in 1999?

"In 1999 (the latest year for which fatality data are available)..."

Glad you are up-to-date. I imagine that nothing has changed in 6 years... I remember seeing a ball game at Enron Field 6 years ago before parking (verrry close) at the airport (Hobby or Intercontinental) and zipping through airport security while getting on a US Airways flight for a meeting at World Comm ... (This is an example of me expressing levity, albeit sarcastically, if you need an example).

Here is an interesting read:

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/OTS/crashdata/crash_facts.asp

If you read the article (I clicked on all crashes for 2004) you will find that there were 91,274 crashes in MN in 2004. I wonder how many CRASHES (not necessarilly fatalities) occur in the US as a whole...? Among the reasons cited for these crashes in MN are "driver inattention"... economic loss to MN $1.8 billion... There is also a nice little blip about "failure to yield right of way"...

Wow. Hopefully, the CDC is dead on at conducting research or you get better at finding links about "newer" research... I wonder what the "Powers" that be at JD Powers think of your research (surveying) abilities, am I right (more levity)? Can't you find something more recent? Even so, you should read up on the websites, if you scrolled down, you would have seen (your CDC website):

"Research should include interventions that focus not only on pedestrians, but also on drivers and the driving environment, such as strengthening enforcement strategies for speed limits, yield-to-pedestrian laws, and school zones. Changes in pedestrian and driver behaviors and modifications in roadway environments, including traffic-calming measures, may provide the strongest mix of prevention strategies."

To me, a device that would potentially modify roadway environments could be considered dangerous.


Because, I read your link and you don't appear to comprehend what you hade cited, I could just leave it at that. But, I'll continue.

Perhaps, my logic escapes you because you are not accustomed to thinking in terms of a valid arguement.

You talk of personal responsibility? Well, perhaps you should have been taught not to publicize something potentially detrimental and (according to RN) illegal in OTHER...Municipalities (you forgot to mention whether fire engines also run silently in your Municipality).

Perhaps if you read your report that you cited you would have put 2 and 2 together (the answer is 4, by the way) and realized that this is a potentially dangerous thing. Instead, you go into more and more detail and pull off a link.

By the by, who are you to say that everyone else maintains this personal responsibility...? If you think that everyone, "crosses on the green and not in between", you are mistaken.

If you want to mention guns, then do so -- I have no problem with them ( I own 8, responsibly) and unless you are at a Texas gun show (I'm being sarcastic), there are yellow sheets that you need to fill out before purchasing unless you have a cac permit. Is there a background check for your internet site (Im being sarcastic, but I'm sure you will post back with another poorly read/understood link)? If not, it isn't a relevant (or should I say valid?) comparison.

Aside from that, how can you proclaim yourself to be a provider of levity? I mean, spine911 used emoticons with his post. So did PL... Yet, you took it upon yourself to "correct" spine911 and myself..? I'm not sure if s/he was expressing levity, but I just happen to agree with what spine911 said regardless, and you attempted to correct me with more information, yet you proclaim that you are not promoting the item? Just providing a neutral perspective (with levity)? I think it is you that is not using logic.

Here is an example of a logistic syllogism (modus tollens). I admit that that "safe" can be replaced by any other word, but the point is to demonstrate a valid, logical argument:

(i) If Item A were safe, it would be legal in the United States.
(ii) Item A is illegal in Houston (Read PL's post)
Item A is not safe (and I am too lazy to do an internet search).

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Old 10-07-2005, 04:51 PM   #4
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@cfos,

Hi,

Too Much! What's it like to be the Girl anyway..?? Think, say, write what you will. The fact is, the sale of the device is legal. If you don't want to buy it, then don't...


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Old 10-07-2005, 09:47 PM   #5
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Cool CHill!!!!!

MN,

Rough day dude? IMO your last post was bul#@%#. Just because someone disagrees with you there is no need to insult them. I have always been grateful and enjoyed your expert advice on this forum, but you have disappointed with your attitude on this thread. Relax guys, we're here to enjoy the camaraderie of our common passion for Porsches and driving.
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Old 10-07-2005, 10:39 PM   #6
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MN,

Rough day dude? IMO your last post was bul#@%#. Just because someone disagrees with you there is no need to insult them. I have always been grateful and enjoyed your expert advice on this forum, but you have disappointed with your attitude on this thread. Relax guys, we're here to enjoy the camaraderie of our common passion for Porsches and driving.
Hi,

You may not have read cfos's most recent reply carefully. He argues like a Woman bringing off-point, non-relevant, out of context past remarks, and character assassinations into his reply in an attempt to bolster his arguement. I have NO problem if you disagree with me (that's how we all learn), just keep it within the context of the arguement, that's all.

I stand by my last post, but nonetheless regret if it offends you...

Happy Motoring!...Jim'99

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Old 10-08-2005, 01:45 PM   #7
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Perhaps, you should take your own advice and let this post drop and chalk it up to a disagreement rather than trying to convince me that (1) I am wrong (rather than disagreeing-- see your post about 77000) or (2) attempting to perform your own "character assassination" by questioning "my logic" and calling me a "girl"...? or (3) automatically assuming that people read your post as a "what will they think of next" when you entitled the thread "Here's something..." and post it as a potential "Christmas gift."

So you know, I am not a woman and it is a shame you don't appreciate the formation of a logical arguement. While logic may ultimately escape you, you will find that if you treat women with respect and listen to what they have to say, you will be treated with respect. Furthermore, you may develop a more positive attitude regarding them. Perhaps, you may even find one to share your life. Q.E.D.

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Old 10-08-2005, 11:28 PM   #8
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So you know, I am not a woman Coulda' fooled me... ... you will find that if you treat women with respect and listen to what they have to say, you will be treated with respect...what is that self prophesizing..??. Perhaps, you may even find one to share your life.
What...? Are you kiddin' me..?? You don't even have a clue... what're you?? Sixteen...??

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