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Old 08-24-2012, 06:16 PM   #1
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I recently had two experiences with Porsche parts price gouging.

I wanted to replace the A/C filter. The local dealer wanted over $100 for the OEM part that NAPA sells for just over $20. I also might have to replace the A/C evaporator. Porsche's price is over $1800 for the part with the evaporator already in the air handling box. The OEM supplier charges under $700 for the exact same thing.

What's your worst experience with the dealer trying to pick your pocket for parts.
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Not gona lie but that is there job. If you have the money to buy a porsche then they will asume that you also don't have the time to be bothered to find cheaper prices so they charge you what ever they feel. Think of it as the connivence fee for the rich and ignorant. Also they guarantee all there work and parts so that also cost money.

Personally I only have gone to the dealership once and that was when I first got the car and I wanted to make sure that it would be in good condition for me and I had a bad experience with back ally mechanics. The Dealership diagnosed and changed the MAF sensor and fixed some odd ends in the electrics. $1400 I think was the total price. But that is ok even though it is expensive. I was assured that I would have no problems in those departments for a while. 2 year warranty to be exact. One thing is for sure I do all my own work now and Cassandra will only see a dealership if i get a check engine light that I cant handle.
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Wow, that's their job? Certainly not the way my father ran his business nor is it the way I allowed the seven dealers that reported to me at EK run theirs on our behalf. I have my own bad story so I truly understand but my Ford dealer? Most honest guy I ever did business with.
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Ummm, I'm not real comfortable bashing dealers for sport. It's a free country and they can ASK any price they want for parts/service. It is up to you to shop wisely and find the best combination of price and service. If you blindly overpay for parts or service because you are too lazy to use google first, it is that guy in the mirrors fault, not the dealer.

Like them or not, we need local dealers. If their prices are out of line, buyers will simply shop elsewhere and market forces will correct this over time.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:14 PM   #5
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i have to be honest, my local main dealer is pretty fair. but the only things i get from them are 'short notice' and low cost items. like sump plugs, brake caliper bolts, trim clips and stuff like that. larger and more expensive items i shop around for and sure the main dealer can't compete with a wharehouse set up.

main dealer are often restricted from getting their parts though the dealer network, that buys parts through the factory chain, who then get them from suppliers, who get them from the manufacturer, each one needs to put a mark up to live and and pay the rent. in stark contrast the wharehouse supplier is often getting the part direct from the factory componant supplier so it is going to cheaper.

the main dealer set me right when my key decided to loose its brain and key coding and as the car has to plugged into the porsche system and code the key to the car it was main dealer or nothing, the price was the standard cost of the key plus a bit of their time and then gave me discount too.

of course i wouldnt get all my parts and work done there, but you shop for the best prices.
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Mother went in and got her windshield wiper filled for a bargain. Only $89! Now she is accompanied by me every time she takes her car to the dealers.
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Old 08-25-2012, 03:38 PM   #7
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I love my dealer. Probably one of the most expensive in the US, The Collection, Coral Gables (Miami). The dealership sells Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, Aston Martin and Mc Laren. Supermodels staff the reception desk. Its a 7? story building that has no lot with cars lined up, just 1 model of each car in separate showrooms with 25 foot high ceilings and museum quality lighting. A showcase to very expensive cars.

Why do I love my dealer? Because I've known the parts guy for years and he gives me wholesale prices on parts, lower than Pelican Parts prices. So when I go to get a part, I get to peruse the great cars, and just as entertaining, chuckle at the dance of very wealthy people buying the most expensive cars around.
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I love my dealer. Probably one of the most expensive in the US, The Collection, Coral Gables (Miami). The dealership sells Maserati, Ferrari, Porsche, Audi, Aston Martin and Mc Laren. Supermodels staff the reception desk. Its a 7? story building that has no lot with cars lined up, just 1 model of each car in separate showrooms with 25 foot high ceilings and museum quality lighting. A showcase to very expensive cars.

Why do I love my dealer? Because I've known the parts guy for years and he gives me wholesale prices on parts, lower than Pelican Parts prices. So when I go to get a part, I get to peruse the great cars, and just as entertaining, chuckle at the dance of very wealthy people buying the most expensive cars around.
So maybe you can hook me up with your parts guy

Thom, if you are planing to do the evaporator job yourself, I'm about to post a DIY in couple of days. Another option is to buy an aftermarket evaporator and replace only it (instead of the all box) will cost you 100-300 $ in parts + recharging the system.
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Wow, that's their job? Certainly not the way my father ran his business nor is it the way I allowed the seven dealers that reported to me at EK run theirs on our behalf. I have my own bad story so I truly understand but my Ford dealer? Most honest guy I ever did business with.
Don't get me wrong Ghost, I am talking from observation. Most high end car dealers will overcharge for about everything simply because they can and the rich people who buy there cars can't be bothered for a few extra dollars. But there are a few good dealers that have decent prices and amazing staff and customer service. Also it comes down to how much competition that dealer has. If there are more then 2 porsche dealer in a 25mile radius you can be sure they will be competing for their cliental. Aside from that I have a good relation with my dealer, paul miller. Cassandra is only handled by me or the dealership, no one else.

As a business owner I wouldn't take advantage of my customers, but I understand that they have a profesional staff that requires training every designated amount of time to have the most relevant information on our vehicles, and they have to make the money from somewhere so its going to be parts and labor. Now let me clarify when i got the MAF changed they charged for the part about $350 or $400 and then they charged me for some other parts that they changed. They also spent a good amount of time looking through my car to make sure that all my electrics and other visible components were in working order.

So ya it all depends on the dealership and the people who work there. Some dealers are bum holes, while some provide the best service you have ever seen. On average I think its about a 30% increase on most of the parts that Paul Miller sells. Then again that will go into warranty and they will provide all the labor if anything were to go wrong. The 30% chance things will go wrong lol.

Bottom line I like my dealer but avoid it unless it is absolutely necessary to go. Also I don't know how many people the parts go through before they reach a dealer and Im sure it varies.
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$300 for an oil change on my Alfa Romeo Spider back in 1994 . I asked the service manager if St. Francis of Assisi himself had done the work ?
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My local dealer, Brumos, has fairly good prices on the parts and accessories. No complaint there. However, they did state that their oil change/inspection/etc. service was $300. So I skipped that, did it myself.

They've also brought their prices down on their parts, since oil filters (for example) are now almost half of what they used to be.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:26 PM   #12
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Not Porsche but my brother-in-law, who is a special education teacher, went to have his oil changed and a seat belt fixed that was broken on his 4x4 blazer at 62,000 miles. He told me they asked him if he would like to have all his fluids changed. He doesn't really know much about cars but responded "yeah sure I guess". About five hours later they called him "you can pick up your car its going to be $1600". At this point he freaked out and asked what did they do? He then called me and asked if I would go in with him to check it out.

Turns out they changed every thing they could possibly find that they could change. Any and everything listed on the 60,000 mile service manual or anything that was to be done when ever "recommended by inspection" . 1st off $200 was for fixing the seat belt. (1hr labor and part) which he was made aware of before hand. The rest was: changed oil and filter, filled washer fluid, changed air filter, fuel filter and complete fuel system flush, flushed brake fluid, flushed power steering fluid, changed front differential fluid & replaced seals, changed rear differential fluid and seals, flushed transmission replaced trans filter, flushed a/c lines and recharged fluid, flushed radiator and coolant, and replaced wiper blades. As a dealer courtesy they vacuumed it out. LOL

I spoke with the manager and I immediately got this strange vibe, from the start I felt like there was something off with this guy. When I asked him about the charges and why they didn't call my bro-in-law to ask if he wanted all of these services performed or inform him of the price he just said "well he said to change all the fluids, this is what we recommend at 60,000 miles" they had his signature on the ticket. I pulled out the 60,000 mile service guide from the glove box and asked him to show me where all this was necessary. He replied with "the rest is recommended upon dealer inspection". I told him that I felt like they had taken advantage of my bro for not knowing anything about cars. At this point I got sarcastic and asked why they had not replaced the headlight bulbs or changed the air in the tires? He then got really upset with me and started dropping F bombs, screaming, yelling and verbally personally attacking me. He then came around the counter like he was going to punch me however one of the service guys grabbed him.

Wow this is how you handle upset customers, you jump over the counter to punch them? This guy knew he had taken advantage of my bro and was upset that I had calling him out on it.

There wasn't much we could do at this point, My brother-in-law needed the car the next day and didn't have time to fight it. He just ended up having to put it on his credit card and make pmts. He started out thinking this was going to be around $300 ......was completely shocked when he got the call for $1600. Never had any idea what he was getting into when they said "all" the fluids. He didn't even know what most of those thing were let alone that they had fluid in them.

Now did changing all this fluids hurt? No, I am an advocate for maintenance but not preparing someone for the cost or talking them into it when it really isn't necessary at the time so they can turn a profit. I know dealers are in business to make a profit but "making a profit" shouldn't been done by taking advantage of someone because they are not intelligent about mechanics.
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I would have called the police. People shopping for new cars always get in a buying mood with police cars in the lot and the service manager being taken away in handcuffs for assault. I would agree to drop the assault charges if he agreed to drop the "service" charges. After we got the car back I would follow up with a complaint report to Consumer Affairs and hate mail to the regional manager cc the owner of the dealership. They just love getting those "unsatisfied customer physically threatened by service manager" letters.

Always always get an estimate in writing from EVERY service provider. No surprises.
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Even indy shops can charge big $$$$ for simple things like oil change, coolant replacement. This forces me even with my lack of experience in wrenching to get more involved. Eventually if I keep the Box long enough more will need to be done like clutch, rms, ims etc. But I will wait till it breaks till I spend the $$$. I have the ims guardian installed. I just don't worry about it. Once I get more confident I will replace the AOS, the coolant tank but nothing has broken over a year and a half of ownership. 101 Projects book is a great start....
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Not to mention that I always have my doubts about whether they actually replace all the fluids that they claim were replaced. That is why I do as much as I can on my own or, if I go to a mechanic, I like to be present and watch what is being done to make sure.
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I avoid dealerships. Period. There are enough independent garages around with factory trained mechanics to do the work correctly and at a reasonable price. I had a new clutch, new dual mass fly wheel, 100k tune up and serp belt all done for $3800.00. I consider that reasonable. Dealer wanted $2800.00 for clutch alone. Dealerships have big overheads and stay open on the money they make in the service department. The market, in time, as mentioned before, will adjust.
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Not to mention that I always have my doubts about whether they actually replace all the fluids that they claim were replaced. That is why I do as much as I can on my own or, if I go to a mechanic, I like to be present and watch what is being done to make sure.
my mechanic, was porsche trained and left becuase they just teach fault code diagnostics and part replacement as defacto reapirs had $10,000 dollar week last week. mainly recitifying other workshops bad work.

one oil change, he pulled the dipstick oil is black, the previous mechanic who didn't solve the problem but charged for oil and filter..

another mechanic charged to change two wheel bearing hubs,, cutomer brought the car to him as it was still getting bearing noise, he pulled the wheels and still has old bearings on despite the customer being charged for supply and fit..

it just goes on and on.. there are a LOT of con-artists out there that will and do take advantage of those who are not savvy.

i am savvy and i have caught garages out 'bang to rights' several times, which is why i do my own work, or if i need specialist tooling, or can't be arsed to get grease under my nails call my guy..

like i said last week he had 10,000 dollar week just on rectifying other peoples f-ups.. he also took pictures of the work paid for and not by other mechanics and is writing confirmations letters for the customers and suggesting they take it up with trading standards.

it really does bust my hump people getting ripped off as well as it does him as he puts it, it damages the reputation of his industry.
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So maybe you can hook me up with your parts guy
Forget about the parts guy, hook me up with the receptionist.
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Aristocrat in Kansas City.... Bad. Very bad. Wanted around $60 for a gallon of Porsche antifreeze. I now refer to them as 'Ass-rape-O-crat'. Our local GM dealer is even worse. The service writer alone is responsible for the fact that I'll never own another GM product again. Never.
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