Blown Engine

[tony0214]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

That was 7 over the entire period of our Christmas shut down.. Thats not very bad at all, we've had 5 in one day before!

Hi Jake how many 02 Boxters M96's have you had with cylinder wall crack or cylinder failure??? because it looks like IMS is not the only problem with this engines. What I dont understand how is it possible that a $50000 grand car could come with so many problems not even KIA motors which I retain the worst car in human history has so many problems. And how 7 in a month is not bad???? we are talking about Porsche here!!!!! again not KIA

[Jake Raby]

We have identified 20 modes of failure for the M96 engine.. The IMS is the most wide spread MOF, and there are instances where the IMS is blamed for a failure when it really isn't the root of the issue.

[tony0214]

[QUOTE=Jake Raby]We have identified 20 modes of failure for the M96 engine.. The IMS is the most wide spread MOF, and there are instances where the IMS is blamed for a failure when it really isn't the root of the issue.[/QUOTE

Can you tell me what are these modes of failures besides the IMS which we already know. See i'm in the process of selling the car if is to problematic I will get rid of it. it meas there are 20 modes for the engine to blow??????? or general failures that could happen to any car????

[Boxtaboy]

[QUOTE=tony0214]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

We have identified 20 modes of failure for the M96 engine.. The IMS is the most wide spread MOF, and there are instances where the IMS is blamed for a failure when it really isn't the root of the issue.[/QUOTE

Can you tell me what are these modes of failures besides the IMS which we already know. See i'm in the process of selling the car if is to problematic I will get rid of it. it meas there are 20 modes for the engine to blow??????? or general failures that could happen to any car????

All I can say is it is a shame you are being scared into wanting to now get rid of the car. Look- against all recommendations (most people would suggest changing your oil at shorter intervals), in the 8 yrs. I have owned my car, I have been only changing my oil at 12-15k mile intervals (using only Mobil 1 0W-40 motor oil), and at 61k miles now on my car, my engine still has not imploded (no D-chunk failure, no slipped sleeve issue, no IMS bolt failure, etc). I do not have an upgraded LN IMS bolt. I do not have the low temp thermostat installed. I do not have that magnetic oil drain plug, and all the other goodies. My engine is still running. Ain't that amazing?! Listen, there may be a hundred different ways an engine can fail, but that does not mean that your engine will not last well over 100k miles without doing any of these upgrades. The percentage that do fail...even if at a high rate of let's say 10%, means that the other 90% will never see any issues whatsover!

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do any of those so called upgrades if you are worried, but it is a shame you are being scared into possibly selling the car, and not enjoying what a wonderful car the Boxster can be because of what you are reading on the internet. Again, take a deep breath, and relax. You car will most likely not implode on you, as the failure rate is still a minority percentage relative to all the cars produced.

[tony0214]

Originally Posted by Boxtaboy

All I can say is it is a shame you are being scared into wanting to now get rid of the car. Look- against all recommendations (most people would suggest changing your oil at shorter intervals), in the 8 yrs. I have owned my car, I have been only changing my oil at 12-15k mile intervals (using only Mobil 1 0W-40 motor oil), and at 61k miles now on my car, my engine still has not imploded (no D-chunk failure, no slipped sleeve issue, no IMS bolt failure, etc). I do not have an upgraded LN IMS bolt. I do not have the low temp thermostat installed. I do not have that magnetic oil drain plug, and all the other goodies. My engine is still running. Ain't that amazing?! Listen, there may be a hundred different ways an engine can fail, but that does not mean that your engine will not last well over 100k miles without doing any of these upgrades. The percentage that do fail...even if at a high rate of let's say 10%, means that the other 90% will never see any issues whatsover!

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do any of those so called upgrades if you are worried, but it is a shame you are being scared into possibly selling the car, and not enjoying what a wonderful car the Boxster can be because of what you are reading on the internet. Again, take a deep breath, and relax. You car will most likely not implode on you, as the failure rate is still a minority percentage relative to all the cars produced.

i HAVE THE BEARING WHICH i'M SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THIS WEEKEND BUT i WANTED TO KNOW OTHER UPGRADES THAT i COULD DO TO BE SAFE DUE TO THE FACT THAT MY TRANSMISSION AND OTHER THINGS ARE GOING TO BE APART
THANKS IN ADVANCE

[stephen wilson]

I'm gad to hear you're keeping the car, and if the IMS bearing upgrade lets you relax and enjoy it, it's well worth it.

I believe the other failure modes require more engine disassembly, off the top of my head : timing chain tensioners, lifters (not catastrophic), C-chuck failures ( rare except for '99 or so ) , oil pump drive ( very rare, only racing? ), rod bolts ( very rare-racing? ), oil starvation under racing conditions ( only with racing tires? ), cracked heads ( rare ) , heat exchanger leaking water into oil ( rare ), water pump failure-broken shaft.

I believe you have a Tip, so no clutch issues?

[tony0214]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

I'm gad to hear you're keeping the car, and if the IMS bearing upgrade lets you relax and enjoy it, it's well worth it.

I believe the other failure modes require more engine disassembly, off the top of my head : timing chain tensioners, lifters (not catastrophic), C-chuck failures ( rare except for '99 or so ) , oil pump drive ( very rare, only racing? ), rod bolts ( very rare-racing? ), oil starvation under racing conditions ( only with racing tires? ), cracked heads ( rare ) , heat exchanger leaking water into oil ( rare ), water pump failure-broken shaft.

I believe you have a Tip, so no clutch issues?

YEs I have a tiptronic transmission, my car runs fine just bad air oil sep and some vacum leacks, valve cover and RMS leaks i am doing all that thi weekend and the bearing!!!!!! hopefully my cylinder walls wont crack

[stephen wilson]

My advice, just drive the car and enjoy!

you're going to get very little money out of an '02 with 80,000 miles. I personally think catastrophic failure rates a greatly exaggerated, and it's probably between 1% and 10%.

If you like the Boxster, save what money you can and upgrade to a newer model, with fewer problems, when you can. The '06 has an improved IMS bearing that should hold up much better, the '07 has a revised drive chain configuration that will improve things more, '09+ has no IMS.

[Jake Raby]

[QUOTE=tony0214]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

We have identified 20 modes of failure for the M96 engine.. The IMS is the most wide spread MOF, and there are instances where the IMS is blamed for a failure when it really isn't the root of the issue.[/QUOTE

Can you tell me what are these modes of failures besides the IMS which we already know. See i'm in the process of selling the car if is to problematic I will get rid of it. it meas there are 20 modes for the engine to blow??????? or general failures that could happen to any car????

I have an article being completed for my site that illustrates and covers in detail each of the MOFs. A post detailing it would take 4 days to write.

[tony0214]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

I have an article being completed for my site that illustrates and covers in detail each of the MOFs. A post detailing it would take 4 days to write.

Hi Jake!!!! well I thank you for trying to help me but by saying that it would take about 4 days to write I realized that Porsche is a piece of garbage beacause a car so expensive with so many problems??? I think it is worth to by a Corolla!!!!! at least never have a problem!!!

[stephen wilson]

Jake is a bit of a glass-half-empty kind of guy on this subject!

[Steve Tinker]

Originally Posted by stephen wilson

Jake is a bit of a glass-half-empty kind of guy on this subject!

Yeah, but remember in his line of business he only ever gets to hear bad news....

[gschotland]

Originally Posted by tony0214

Hi Jake!!!! well I thank you for trying to help me but by saying that it would take about 4 days to write I realized that Porsche is a piece of garbage beacause a car so expensive with so many problems??? I think it is worth to by a Corolla!!!!! at least never have a problem!!!

A Corolla is obviously your dream car, so what are you waiting for? No need to deprive yourself one more minute. Pull the trigger already and dump that overpriced, unreliable, and totally overrated piece of German trash on some other unsuspecting idiot. As they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Jake Raby]

The glass is never full enough.

Its true that people who look our way are already having a problem so we are exposed to more horror stories than most anyone else. I do have a chunk of customers who have excellent running cars and just want to go faster than anyone else without boost, so they call me.

[tony0214]

Originally Posted by gschotland

A Corolla is obviously your dream car, so what are you waiting for? No need to deprive yourself one more minute. Pull the trigger already and dump that overpriced, unreliable, and totally overrated piece of German trash on some other unsuspecting idiot. As they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I love Porsche obviously you can't compare it with a little car o toyota what so ever!!! look friend I have had about 30 cars since I was 16 years old right now I'm 31. It's not about heat is about reliability!! I expect a car that expensive to be more reliable than any cheaper car because it is suposed to be constructed with more quality. I have had 2 Mercedes, 3 BMW's, 1 SAAB 900 turbo, 1 Volvo turbo, 2 Alfa Romeos, 1 Fiat and other American and Japonese cars and the reality is that European cars are fun to drive and you feel that yuo really have a machine in your hands but they also breack down more than Japonese cars and that is statistics. But you know what?? I will keep on buying European cars because besides that the feeling you get when you drive one you don't get it with any other car!!!! What porsche did with the boxter was to create a cheaper Porsche for people that probably did not have enogh money to by a Carrera and that's what they created a "Cheap Porsche"
By the way My Dream Car is a "FERRARI"

I didn't mean to say Porsche is not a good car I was just responding according to how Jake talks about the 20 MOF an M96 has. Then I said if is really like that then it sucks.
I did not mean to offend anybody.