Techno Torque 2

[blinkwatt]

I've never had an issue with his site accessing it from 4 different computers.

[Bob O]

Same here... no problems with his site

Bob

[sd_boxster]

I noticed some rendering issues with his site yesterday on the DIY motor mount page using IE on Vista 64 - guessing it has to do with glow/drop shadow for text. Page load was really slow, and the text was unreadable.

I chalked it up to IE and Vista and moved to my Mac.

[Bobiam]

I've been ont that page a number of times and it's always as slow as s_ _ _! Pedro has a problem there which I have not encountered on any other site. Too bad because there some good stuff on that page.

Bob

[ddb]

Bob O and Burg, thanks for the replies. I thought maybe it was a noise abatement device. And yes Bob O, it is tricky getting the "T" installed perfectly with the gaskets and clamps lined up and tightened just right. I too would have had an issue if I hadn't double-checked before turning the key.

Bobiam, I just buttoned it up yesterday and only drove for a couple of miles to see if I had any air leaks or other problems. Fortunately, I did not, at least not yet. I won't have time to drive the car any this week. The earliest I can get enough miles on it for the DME to adjust will be the weekend. I will definitely post my views once I've had enough seat time.

As far as getting rid of the noise abatement part on the intake tube, I took care of that yesterday as well. First just let me say that Pedro's solution is probably the most cost effective and just as good as any. I'm not as resourceful however and went another route. A couple of weeks ago I read a thread on PPBB from "The Voxster" (thanks for posting it Voxster) about a smooth intake tube from AFE Power. I installed it yesterday while I was in the area. Unlike the OE tube it doesn't have the flexible ribs or the noise abatement device. I'm pretty sure the ribs are there to ease installation and removal of the OE tube. It is a bear to install the rigid AFE unit. The ribs may disturb the smooth flow of air but I doubt they have a very big negative effect.

Like I said earlier, I've only driven the car a couple of miles. I didn't get the temperature warm enough to stand on it, so I can't say anything about any power gains. I will say the combination of the TT2 and AFE tube definitely affected intake noise. In my short test drive I noticed a big difference! I guess that noise abatement device works. I'm looking forward to adding more miles and running up the RPM's to see what it really sounds like.

Bobiam, I've been meaning to list my mods in my signature and will do so now.

ddb

[Bobiam]

Thanks ddb for the update and taking the lead here. We'll be interested in hearing about your results.

I'm wondering about that missing flex section on your new pipe. Will engine torqing and vibration possibly dislodge the new pipe? Or is that compensated for by the connecting sleeves?

Re your mods, I am wondering if you would notice more improvement because adding intake improvements possibly balance with the exhoust improvements, thereby getting more out of the intake than a stock car would. Perhaps speculation is the best we can do without lots of dyno time.

Bobiam

[jaykay]

Thanks ddb.....I was just about to make my own from turbo tubing. How is the quality of the AFE tube? I notice there are no "flared"/over sized ends to make the connection with the air box and and throttle body.

How is the fit...any air leaks? How much did you pay for the tube/

Thanks

[Blue-S]

I suspect that the "wart" is a Helmholz resonator which would be designed to cancel noise at a certain frequency, in order to quiet the car down. I have not had my intake tube out yet, but I suspect that the tube does not just dump into the "wart" -- it probably resembles a smooth tube inside with a small hole or slot allowing the tuned chamber to connect with the intake tube. It may not be as bad as it looks from the outside.

[Bob O]

I just returned from the last DE of the year at Heartland Park over the weekend. I installed the Techno Torque 2 about a week prior to the event. I agree with Wingnut. There's a noticeable difference, not huge but enough that you can feel it. End of straight speeds were up about 5-7 mph. Is that the Techno Torque or me getting better coming out of the last turn onto the straight??? Probably a little of both, but out of the slow corners the car definitely accelerates a bit quicker. Overall lap times were down a few seconds. This is getting funner and funner.

Bob

[ddb]

Originally Posted by Bobiam

I'm wondering about that missing flex section on your new pipe. Will engine torqing and vibration possibly dislodge the new pipe? Or is that compensated for by the connecting sleeves?

Re your mods, I am wondering if you would notice more improvement because adding intake improvements possibly balance with the exhoust improvements, thereby getting more out of the intake than a stock car would. Perhaps speculation is the best we can do without lots of dyno time.

Bobiam

Bobiam, you can see the size of the connecting sleeves in the pictures posted by Adam. They are rather large and once installed, I felt comfortable about them staying attached. At the same time I plan on looking closely after some miles to make sure everything still looks good.

Your second question is also a good one. I wish I had an answer, but I don't. It would have been nice to have baseline dyno data to quantify any improvements. Since I don't I probably won't do any post-mod dyno tests. I'm just hoping the butt-dyno can detect an improvement. Maybe Jake or someone can answer the question, I'm curious too.

Originally Posted by jaykay

I was just about to make my own from turbo tubing. How is the quality of the AFE tube? I notice there are no "flared"/over sized ends to make the connection with the air box and and throttle body.

How is the fit...any air leaks? How much did you pay for the tube/

jaykay, the quality of the material is quite adequate IMO. It is a hard plastic that is smooth on the inside with some texture on the outside. I do think it could be made better. The size isn't perfect and it therefore doesn't line up perfectly with the throttle body or the air box. Not having the flexible ribs like the OE tube exacerbates the installation process. You have to rely on the large flexible bands to give you enough play to make the connections. I like the design of the OE tube as far as the connection area and clamps. I've only driven a short distance but so far no sign of any leaks. Hopefully this weekend I can put on more miles and check the connections. AFE was willing to sell me the tube, connecting bands and clamps minus the price of the air filter which I didn't need or want (I recently installed a BMC filter). I however bought the whole kit and sold the air filter to a friend for his Boxster. I believe the whole kit was just under $250. Like I said in the earlier post Pedro's solution is probably the most cost effective and just as functional as any. If you are able to make your own I would probably go that route. Unfortunately I don't have very good fabrication skills so I figured I would give the AFE tube a try. If I don't like it I will put the OE tube back on and sell the AFE.

Originally Posted by Blue-S

I suspect that the "wart" is a Helmholz resonator which would be designed to cancel noise at a certain frequency, in order to quiet the car down.

Blue-S, I'm looking forward to listening for changes at different RPM's especially while cruising at highway speeds. My initial reaction was good but I only drove for a short distance.

Originally Posted by Adam

I wonder can you get just the intake tube, clamps, and rubber boots? I don't need the filter.

It is made out of a composite or plastic right?

Adam, yes, they will sell you just the tube and clamps and it is made out of plastic.

Originally Posted by chaudanova

but I really wonder if actually swapping out the oem tubing for the aFe unit will make any real world noticable gains. In theory, it seems like it could/should help out, but I'm wondering if the cost:gains can be justified...

Looking forward to what any brave souls find out!

chaudanova, my guess is just replacing the tube won't make any noticeable gains. I believe replacing the OE air filter with the AFE filter, or in my case, a BMC filter, is responsible for any HP and torque gains (I'm not an engineer so what do I know). I do think the tube will make a different intake noise. It is hard to justify the cost for this alone. But maybe I'm wrong, and in this case, a brave soul!

ddb