Solstice vs Cayman?

[Sputter]

It's a nice enough car for what it is. I even toyed with the idea of Saturn Sky Redline. (better put together imho).

I recall them comparing their Solstice GPX vs a Base Boxster for numbers.
Of course they couldn't have put it up against the Box S. (even though they used their higher output model against it)
It's all smoke and mirrors with a healty dose of PR.

The average joe might eat what GM feeds em but anyone doing their homework while shoping for a sports car will see the Emperor, indeed has no clothes.

It's not even close to a Porsche in quality. The interior with tell you that straight off. Just throwing HP at a car doesn't make it more than just another lowend car.

--edited for fat finger typing-

[Quickurt]

I love your fat finger typing comment. We're in that ball park together.
My buddy's Solstice is at the shop way more than it's in his garage, and way, way more than he has it to drive. It would be bad enough if the problems were minor or changing, but they're not. It's in for the same thing, over and over. Main problem is front shocks and suspension parts. They're junk. HE drives it a few days and the front shocks bind up again. THey just keep putting the saem crap back in it. Apparently there is unibody hardware or mounj differences between the standard and the GXP, so they can't upgrade his to GXP shocks and suspension. Another repeating problem is with door handles and they're the same on both models. The top is not only ill fitting and ugly as hell, it keeps the weather out about the same way it looks and he says it's so damned loud (wind noise) with it up, he has ear plugs in the glove box.
They want him to trade up to a GXP, but they won't give him his purchase price for his baseline model, that was all he could get the first year. He's now initiating lemon law on it to get his money back.

[Topless]

GM has come a long way. The Corvette is really pretty nice and my current work truck is an 05 Silverado which I beat on constantly and it still runs great.

The Solstice GXP "Taming" a Cayman... Pleeeeeeeease. When pigs fly.

[blinkwatt]

Originally Posted by Sputter

I recall them comparing their Solstice GPX vs a Base Boxster for numbers.
Of course they couldn't have put it up against the Box S. (even though they used their higher output model against it)
It's all smoke and mirrors with a healty dose of PR.

You forgot to mention they put their manual Solstice GPX, up against an tiptronic base Boxster

I had to deal with a dick at work that though their Solstice was faster then my manual....idiot.

[nola911]

blah blah blah, I hate magazine hype.

First- Think of it this way, porsche used a timeless design on the cayman tat mimics a 40+ year old set of lines. It also incorporates a mid engine. I promise that the cayman will be one of the most sought after collectors cars in the future. The pontiac will look old in 3 years when they come out with a new design. The BMW will probably last a little longer but I think they went too angular with this run. As for current production, here and now the Pontiac is a great looking car but does not stop traffic like the sleak lines of the cayman, which in my opinion is the best looking Porsche ever built.

Second- The quality of the three cars is not comparable, don't believe me, go test drive them. The Cayman and BMW are much better feeling cars.

I would compare the pontiac, the saturn, and the chrysler to one another, but stop it right there.

I may be biased, but it is my future plans to trade my 996 for a cayman in the upcoming years. To trade it for something American made would be foolish in my opinion.

On the other hand, I do like that the solstice can be bought with full warranty and low miles for 15k on ebay, as it would probably be a fun to daily driver so the porsche can avoid the deadly potholes and traffic of new orleans.

[Tom Blue]

This has been a theme for several months with Pontiac. Comparing their vehicles to the great cars of the world. Finding some data point that outscores a basic great car and then making their overall comparison based on that one item. Several months ago when Pontiac initially came out with the GPX they stated that the GPX buried the Boxster with it’s incredible acceleration. I commented on a u-tube site where a Pontiac motor head had posted some hype from GM on the GPX that it was pathetic that Pontiac, the company that introduced the GTO had come down to these comparisons . I could not believe the responses I got from the pro Pontiac faction. Most of them incomplete sentences punctuated with vulgarities. I guess there are a lot of folks out there that will believe anything they see in an ad or TV.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Tom Blue

This has been a theme for several months with Pontiac. Comparing their vehicles to the great cars of the world. Finding some data point that outscores a basic great car and then making their overall comparison based on that one item. Several months ago when Pontiac initially came out with the GPX they stated that the GPX buried the Boxster with it’s incredible acceleration. I commented on a u-tube site where a Pontiac motor head had posted some hype from GM on the GPX that it was pathetic that Pontiac, the company that introduced the GTO had come down to these comparisons . I could not believe the responses I got from the pro Pontiac faction. Most of them incomplete sentences punctuated with vulgarities. I guess there are a lot of folks out there that will believe anything they see in an ad or TV.

It is a popular marketing technique. In some ways in can work, in others, it doesn't fool anyone. Again, the Soltice would better be compared to the Miata in terms of price and engines.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

It is a popular marketing technique. In some ways in can work, in others, it doesn't fool anyone. Again, the Soltice would better be compared to the Miata in terms of price and engines.

Putting Miata in the same sentence with Solstice reminded me of something. A good buddy trades in high line used cars and spends quite a bit of time at the southeast auctions. He said nearly every Miata that comes through the line is bid out of the ceiling by Pontiac dealers, so they can have one or two on the lot, right next to their long row of Solstices (Solsti?) They openly admit to him they do it to make it look like Miata owners are trading in on a Solstice. It is another common marketing technique, Brumos always has at least one late model Corvette and BMW prominently displayed on their used car lot and rediculously priced. Don't want to have to screw around picking up another.......

[Jaxonalden]

Hey Sputter, if I don't know what I'm talking about why don't you explain why American cars are built so damn cheap. I can't wait to hear your expert explanation, BTW did you hear Toyota is about to take over GM in sales in America? Wonder why? O' tell us what's going on Mr Sputter.

Brucelee, I too drive many of different cars. I rent from numerous companies and drive all kinds of cars and mini vans. I can say with certainty I know the difference in an American and foreign make. I was surprised lately when I rented a Kia mini van, that thing had balls to spare. The Charger I just rented in Tampa was a piece of crap. In Texas I got a Camry and that car was great on gas and very solid. Yea the four banger was light in power but Brucelee, you compared it to a V-6? Apples to apples-I'll put a V-6 Camry up against a V-6 GM product any day. Reliability will win every time.

[Brucelee]

What ever happened to loyalty? If workers treated their jobs like they were on a team and sacrificed themselves for that team I think we would produce a car that no one could touch. But since we don't have that I guess that's what they call "capitalism".
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It is a stretch to tie the issue of employee loyalty to an economic system called capitalism. Are you suggesting that those public employee strikes that occur all over socialist Europe are the result of loyal employees????

[Brucelee]

I have driven rental car versions of the G6, Aura, and Camry. I have to say I greatly prefered the American cars over the Camry. Better handling, quieter and with more omph (four cylinder camry vs 6 cylinder in GM cars.)

It is clear from the JD Power data that GM build quality is much better than it was and I think all the journalists would acknowledge that their newer cars are much better efforts.

IMHO.

[Wret]

I had my eye on the Solstice/Sky duo long before they were released. The pure sports car looks and available turbo-charged models got my attention. One of the first reviews I read said that they were not too bad but for the same money one could get a great used boxster, and that's exactly what I did.

[super66]

solstice, sky, kind of cool looking but to compare to a boxster/cayman is plain stupid...

american cars....only one I would even consider purchasing...a yellow convertible vette....and that car lost to the boxster I picked...

as far as JD power and their quailty claims....well I"ve been hearing about the better quality American cars for awhile....and had a brand new nightmare Chevy Blazer and brand new nightmare Jeep Cherokee.....never ever....never never....did I say NEVER??? never again....

anyone picking a Pontiac over a Toyota or Honda is just....well....I'm sure you can all figure it out....well most of you

By the way, G6 rental...sucked...power nice...car sucked...Jeep Patriot, horrid, and I don't remember the dodge product, an almost SUV type, not the magnum tho...loved the use of plastic throughout.....

[Brucelee]

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/articles/2007-Vehicle-Dependability-Study-Results