This torques my shorts

[richv]

Ignore them they are ignorant. By the way my brother in law has a Corvette Z-6 and likes my 2004 Boxster, particularly the tiptronic.

[VTCMart]

Probably the same snobbish attitude that would say a Dino is not a real Ferrari. And most people who say that are driving a Corolla or some similar appliance/utilitarian vehicle, so screw 'em.

[insite]

i have a friend who always insisted the boxster was not a 'real' porsche; he laughed when i told him i was buying one. he came into town last year and i gave him the pleasure of a 'spirited' check ride (side note: i have some race track experience). after about 20min, we had to pull over so he could literally vomit. he now owns a boxster.

[dcporsche99]

....haven't had someone say that to me in person yet.

If I were to hear that, I would just remind myself that at the end of the day, everytime I drive my PORSCHAAA... I get an instant permagrin that has only comes with driving this car!!

[humara]

Originally Posted by VTCMart

would say a Dino is not a real Ferrari.

nobody would say that.

[Ofishbein]

Originally Posted by humara

nobody would say that.

Actually, I also had a '72 Dino in the '08s and people DID say that it wasn't a real Ferrari.

[Lil bastard]

In the case of the Dino, they're not necessarily far off.

The "Dino" brand was created to market a lower priced, "affordable" sports car. Enzo Ferrari did not want to diminish the Ferrari brand with a cheaper, smaller engined car, and so "Dino" was created specifically to separate the brands. It had no Prancing Horse or Scuderia badging.

Nobody would say that? Well, Ferrari actually did!

In the first brochure for the 206GT they described the Dino as "almost a Ferrari". Can you believe that?

[Franco]

Hi, The Boxster is not a Porsche, it is the car that saved Porscha's @ss from being bought by the Chinese and then exporting cars to America named Cherry 911 Rice Turbo.

IMO Porsche should have been renamed BOXSTER

[bonvita1973]

Originally Posted by Franco

Hi, The Boxster is not a Porsche, it is the car that saved Porscha's @ss from being bought by the Chinese and then exporting cars to America named Cherry 911 Rice Turbo.

IMO Porsche should have been renamed BOXSTER

hey why knock it? they are great cars.Not as good as the 911's but is ok

Originally Posted by Ofishbein

Actually, I also had a '72 Dino in the '08s and people DID say that it wasn't a real Ferrari.

Then they were horribly misinformed. Remember in this era, sports cars were early 911, Fiat 124, MG. I'm sure these numbers are good against the 911 of the same year. saw one of the Fiat Dino's at Barett Jackson, I think it went for over 100, not a bad score. Saw the unit once at my fathers dealership awesome body style, I' love one. Certainly a respectable performer, not all Dinos were Fiats either, many were full blooded Ferrari.


From the web

The FIAT Dino motor had its genesis in the 1967 1.6-litre Formula 2 racing regulations. Ferrari's Dino V-six engine dating from the mid-1950s was ideal for the job, but the rules stipulated a 500-off, production-based block, homologation rules. As Ferrari at the time was building only 700 cars a year, this would mean virtually doubling production in just one year, and the company simply had to look to outside help. Enter the Fiat Dino, powered by a production version of Ferrari's quad-cam V-six, as an all-alloy two-liter. This allowed Ferrari to qualify its engine for F2 racing. The original quad-cam, all-alloy, 65-degree V6 found in the 2.0-litre models can trace its history back to the 1950s. The superb V6, four-cam, two-liter engine that powers the FIAT Dino lineage can be traced back to the Dino 166P sports-racing unit. While credit for the design of the V6 motor is often given to Enzo Ferrari's son, Dino, this is probably stretching the truth a bit. The younger Ferrari was indeed an engineer and possibly proposed the idea of making the V6, but it was more likely the legendary engine designer Vittorio Jano who was responsible for the actual design, but it was turned into a viable production road-car engine by Aurelio Lampredi, a one-time Ferrari employee.

The Fiat Dino 2.0 used a five-speed Fiat transmission to send power back to a live axle with a Watts-link-like leaf spring suspension. A coil spring and wishbone suspension was used up front. The result was a 130-mph car that would do 0-60 mph in around 8.8 seconds, very reasonable performance for the era.

The Fiat Dino was built as an elegant, curvaceous spider by Pininfarina. The spider is one of the prettiest designs to emerge from Pininfarina's studio in the 1960s ( I might be biased here but not the only biased person around ).

[Lil bastard]

Actually, we're getting confused here (not to mention hi-jacking the thread - sorry ).

There are actually 2 (arguably 3) cars 'named' the Dino. The 206/246GT (made by Ferrari) and the Fiat Dino (made by Fiat). The original 308GT4 was also badged a Dino, but only for a short time.

The Dino was actually the engine. An Alloy Block DOHC 65° V6. It was first produced with a displacement of 1987cc (considered 2.0L - '66-'69) and later with a displacement of 2418cc (2.4L - '67-'73).

Ferrari didn't have a platform in which to homologate the engine for formula 2 racing, nor did they have the production facility to produce one. So, parent company, Fiat designed a chassis and Pininfarina produced a Spyder body and Bertone produced the Coupe' body. This was known as the Fiat Dino and was produced from 1966-'73. It was never officially imported into the US, though a few hundred made it in. The Dino used in the Fiat was slightly detuned and marginally less powerful.

The Formula 2 regulations changed in the meantime, making the engine obsolete - Ferrari never competed with it in Formula 2.

Pininfarina in the meantime was urging iL Commendatore to produce a mid-engined street car. Enzo had always thought they were too dangerous for the General Public and so had refrained for years from producing one.

He finally relented, but insisted they "not use a Ferrari (V12) but a Dino (the V6)". This became the 206GT with the 2.0L Dino and later, the 246GT with the 2.4L Dino.

As mentioned, they also wanted to distance the Dino equipped cars from the Ferraris and so marketed it under the brand Dino. Enzo felt that only the V12 cars should be considered Ferraris.

But, when in the mid-70's, Ferrari realized they didn't have a branded car for sale in the US (their #1 market), they instructed their US dealers to rebadge the 308GT4 (originally the Dino 308GT4) as a Ferrari removing the Dino badge completely (you can see where the early cars had a concave rectangular indentation on the hood and rear hatch to accept the Dino badge). And also instructed them to fix the Prancing Horse above the Dino badge on the hood (keeping the Dino badge in place) for the '74 246GTs (the '74 is the only official Dino to have a Prancing Horse, except Pininfarina's personal 206GT). European dealers shortly followed suit, but on their own.

Many Ferrari badges were added later to earlier cars by their owners, but interestingly, in the past few years as Dino prices have skyrocketed, these owners are now pulling the Ferrari emblems to restore originality.