06-11-2013, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Radium King
not to speak for jake, but I think he is talking 'rear wheel' hp (rwhp) whereas you are talking hp at the crank. assuming 15% loss through the drivetrain, he is making 350 to your 280.
also, these are peak numbers at 7000 rpm; his torque and hp curves are probably a lot fatter at all rpms - ie, more power sooner - as I presume he started with a 3.8 which are known for their grunt at lower rpms. of course, I have read that stock heads with bore increase tend to make for peaky performance, so expect some gains in the lower rpms as he optimises the output.
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Interesting. So, you can't make my 3.2 into a 4.0? You need to start with a 3.8??
But I gotta believe a stock 3.8 motor is putting down over 380 crank HP.
Regardless, I appreciate your comments and look forward to Jake's reply.
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06-11-2013, 05:16 PM
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Engine Surgeon
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My figures are RWHP figures. The car has a diff and race alignment, both of which are hurting the performance on the chassis dyno. It also has break in oil.
Remember, zero tuning has been done at this point. We generally leave ECUs stock and prefer all stock ancillaries. This particular engine had huge head flow figures due to some new findings and developments we have applied on the flow bench. This one was a good one to optimize.
That said, we kept a very modest compression ratio for a long lived engine.
We can make a 3.2 into a 4.0, and the technology to do so is proprietary and only provided from us by LN Engineering. I don't advertise this combination and save it for "special occasions". Just like we do our 4.2 based on the DFI platform.
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06-11-2013, 07:15 PM
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Sorry to thread jack but what kind of numbers can be expected from a 3.2@ to 4.0 conversion if its planned to be a sunny sunday driver. looking for the happy medium between hot rod street and reliability.just wondering if jumping up to 4.0 is worth it vs 3.6-3.8. Thanks...now back to the regularly scheduled thread.
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06-11-2013, 07:29 PM
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Engine Surgeon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sgt brad
Sorry to thread jack but what kind of numbers can be expected from a 3.2@ to 4.0 conversion if its planned to be a sunny sunday driver. looking for the happy medium between hot rod street and reliability.just wondering if jumping up to 4.0 is worth it vs 3.6-3.8. Thanks...now back to the regularly scheduled thread.
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No need in going 4.0 for this application. The cost increase is not worth it.
My 3.6 is plenty, and the 3.8 will blow your mind. The 4.0 package is only worth the added money for those who ned the power for the track and want to chase down GT3s. The owner of this 4.0 has a GT3 RS 4.0 and wanted a pair :-)
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US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
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06-12-2013, 11:11 AM
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Jake, I thought the limit for a 3.2 was 3.6 (using LN nickies)? You can do a 3.8 ?
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06-12-2013, 07:57 PM
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Engine Surgeon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by navair
Jake, I thought the limit for a 3.2 was 3.6 (using LN nickies)? You can do a 3.8 ? 
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Thats because thats al thats advertised. Nothing here is standardized, so we can build anything and we do all the time. We have bore sizes that LN only provides to us; thats the benefits of being the exclusive developer of their entire product line since the company was founded.
Flavor987S,
email me at jake@rabyenginedevelopment.com for pricing. I will have a ton of questions for you, because there are tons of variables at these levels.
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IMS Solution/ Faultless Tool Inventor
US Patent 8,992,089 &
US Patent 9,416,697
Developer of The IMS Retrofit Procedure- M96/ M97 Specialist
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06-13-2013, 01:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Raby
Flavor987S,
email me at jake@rabyenginedevelopment.com for pricing. I will have a ton of questions for you, because there are tons of variables at these levels.
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Thanks. Will do.
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06-12-2013, 07:50 PM
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What about forced induction after 3.6?
... if you really feel like you need that much power
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