Conservatism is calling

[san rensho]

What a bunch of sore losers. Face it, you lost fair and square. You claim to love democracy yet when you lose, all you do is whine about how "our nation" is lost and democracy is broken. Well, the right wing doesn't have a claim on nationhood, our nation is everyone and the majority have spoken.

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by san rensho

What a bunch of sore losers. Face it, you lost fair and square. You claim to love democracy yet when you lose, all you do is whine about how "our nation" is lost and democracy is broken. Well, the right wing doesn't have a claim on nationhood, our nation is everyone and the majority have spoken.

Who said anything about being a right wing'er ? The fact of the matter is, Obama is a fraud ! His policies and plan of self aggrandizement differs little from the Bush-era. The only thing different is the pandemic of "blindversity" that has overtaken the political landscape !

[Homeboy981]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

Who said anything about being a right wing'er ? The fact of the matter is, Obama is a fraud ! His policies and plan of self aggrandizement differs little from the Bush-era. The only thing different is the pandemic of "blindversity" that has overtaken the political landscape !

Here, here! Well said, well spoken.

[Jaxonalden]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

Who said anything about being a right wing'er ? The fact of the matter is, Obama is a fraud ! His policies and plan of self aggrandizement differs little from the Bush-era. The only thing different is the pandemic of "blindversity" that has overtaken the political landscape !

+1

[mikehkang]

I used to work with a banker who renounced the US citizenship so can pay less tax.
He still had the office in the NYC.

There should be a law to lock up $h!tholes like him.

One more thing that we need as a country:
We need to bring back the draft. Most of us don't know other races. This is a big problem.
The draft will force us to learn about the others. At least meet others.
Also, we as a nation will less likely to go to war and spend $h!t load of money when your kids and my kids are at risk.

[brp987]

Last post. We need to get away from the notion that because you have health insurance, that all your medical care is covered. No, medical insurance is like car insurance - you buy how much coverage you want, based on how much you can afford. Yes, wealthier people can afford better care. And unhealthy people, like lousy drivers, are going to pay more.

Tort reform. Yes, mistakes and incompetence exist, but there are a large amount of nuisance suits.

Free medical care for illegal aliens/prisoners. Drastically reduced. I read about a recent case where a prisoner was granted a sex change operation!

I'm not an expert. I really recommend Sally Pipes book. It's a good start.

[mikehkang]

Originally Posted by brp987

Last post. We need to get away from the notion that because you have health insurance, that all your medical care is covered. No, medical insurance is like car insurance - you buy how much coverage you want, based on how much you can afford. Yes, wealthier people can afford better care. And unhealthy people, like lousy drivers, are going to pay more.

Tort reform. Yes, mistakes and incompetence exist, but there are a large amount of nuisance suits.

Free medical care for illegal aliens/prisoners. Drastically reduced. I read about a recent case where a prisoner was granted a sex change operation!

I'm not an expert. I really recommend Sally Pipes book. It's a good start.

Last post here too.

I will try Sally Pipes's book. I recommend to you either watch "Sicko" or read Robert Reich's Beyond Outrage. If you watch Sicko, you would understand that my concern prior to the Obamacare is not the extend of insured medical coverage but the insurance company's abliity to DROP you once you become sick.

I am taking chances with IMS, but I am NOT taking the chance that some huge medical bill will ruin me. With the Obamacare, there will be NO chance of medical bankrupcy in my future - without it, there certainly was. Just watch the movie if you haven't yet then you will know what I mean.

Tort reform - I completely agreed with you. We need it bad.

"Free medical care for illegal aliens/prisoners." Tax payer paid sex change is crazy. However, illegal aliens and prisoners, I don't know. I know some illegals. There are contributing members of our society. If someone came to US yesterday and needed a heart transplant, than that is different, for me, than someone who has been here for last 20 years needing one. As for the prisoners, if you are on death row, NOTHING for you. But if you are serving time for selling pot and doing 5 years, I don't know. Where is the line of demarcation, I don't know.

Something I learned on 3% admin cost.
First the critism:
"The IRS collects the taxes that fund the program; Social Security collects many of the premiums paid by beneficiaries;"
Now the counter argument:
"It seems plausible to me that the marginal cost of Medicare’s piggybacking on IRS tax collections and Social Security’s operations is close to zero. That the program can leverage existing federal infrastructure, which would exist in essentially the same form even if Medicare didn’t, is a feature not a bug. It’s what you’d expect from an efficient government, not an inefficient one."

You can read more about it here. A few remarks on Medicare’s administrative cost | The Incidental Economist
I still need to study more but above is a start.

BTW, pot should be legalized and regulated like alcohol. (disclaimer: I personally never even smoked a cigarette in my life let alone smoke pot. Pot usage should be a personal choice.)

Nice exchanging thoughts with you, brp987.
Thanks for being nice.

Mike

[Johnny Danger]

Originally Posted by mikehkang

I used to work with a banker who renounced the US citizenship so can pay less tax.
He still had the office in the NYC.

There should be a law to lock up $h!tholes like him.

One more thing that we need as a country:
We need to bring back the draft. Most of us don't know other races. This is a big problem.
The draft will force us to learn about the others. At least meet others.
Also, we as a nation will less likely to go to war and spend $h!t load of money when your kids and my kids are at risk.

One of the major disappointments that people have with Obama and/or his administration, is the lack of ability to clamp down on the greed associated with Wall Street. In fact, all his bailout plan did was line the pockets of Wall Street with bonuses.

[mikehkang]

Originally Posted by Johnny Danger

One of the major disappointments that people have with Obama and/or his administration, is the lack of ability to clamp down on the greed associated with Wall Street. In fact, all his bailout plan did was line the pockets of Wall Street with bonuses.

It happened over 15 years ago. (The guy worked back and forth between NY and London. No, he did not become a British citizen as tax there was even higher. Go figure.)

JD, please watch "Too big to fail" if you have not. It will give a glimpse of how Wall Streeters think. I am going to read the book.

I think by and large, the members of this forum are free thinkers.
Just as we are willing to work on our cars ourselves, we are free thinkers who make our own decisions. I only hope that the information I encounter during my (re)search is correct. Otherwise, GIGO, right?

Thanks again and safe missions.

Mike

P.S. Can I get a signed copy of your 1st ed. autobiography when it comes out?

[coreseller]

Anyone remotely "in the know" see's where things are going, and it isn't anywhere near resembling a positive direction.......Black, White, Yellow, Red, Christian, Jew, Islam, Atheist, Gay, Straight, Blah, Blah, Blah..............

The Numbers are the Numbers, They don't look good.

If you are currently paying taxes, you're screwed.

If you're currently not paying taxes, you're eventually gonna be screwed.

If you're a business type, especially an owner (C Corp, S Corp, Sole PPS, LLC, etc.), seek counsel or sell, providing you can find a buyer...........:ah:

Pretty Upbeat Huh?

[The Radium King]

what defines an economy? does the government work it up and enforce it on the public, or is it matter of money in verus money out?

the government may mildly modify the rules, but from my point of view, the majority of what we define as 'the economy' is just business. if you wanna cut and run that just makes you an unamerican b!tch that's on the loosing end regardless of president. take your failing business, cut and run, and blame it on the president. still a b!itch from my pov.

of course, i'm canadian and know nothing about how money works; i just sit here end enjoy one of the best economies on earth.

[pierre shags]

"It's been borrowed. Worse, it's been counterfeited by the Fed thru treasury purchases."

'Twas ever thus.

The Roman emperors feared overthrow and death if they taxed their citizens too much. But the proles were used to government services - bread and circuses (they wanted 'stuff' and 'things') - but didn't feel the economic connection between taxes and services. Having the best civilization so far (arguable!) had its costs. How to pay for it? The emperors diluted the coinage. So the confidence in the currency was reduced and businessmen decided to trade elsewhere. The empire fell (there were other causes).

Same today. Legislators want to be re-elected, so are afraid to tax. We want our beef inspected by the government, federal money for New Jersey citizens after Sandy, our 'socialist-leaning' Medicare. The tax-cheat 'patriots' pledge to never raise historically low tax rates. We want someone else to pay for it - so the government prints more money. Having the best civilization so far (arguable!) has its costs. Will we pay them or will our empire fall?