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[Brucelee]

Is this the "racist, hate filled" post that you guys want deleted?


I am sure they were just fine young men who wanted to possess something the white man stole from their ancestors. Thousands of years ago they were all kings and queens who probably had their own car very similar to today's Porsche.




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"Hummm African Americans involved in a crime..are you sure? according to Reverend Al they don't do such things, they just get bad press from the Po Po."

Originally Posted by Ghostrider 310

[super66]

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

[Adam]

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Adam

Since we are making this thread about race, can somebody tell my why 85%+ of all people in prison are black when they represent a much smaller sect..maybe(10-15%) of our population? Is it the man? No sarcasm or disrespect here just a question.

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

Whoa, I guess I was way off. I heard it was about 85% black on court tv or something if I remember correctly. Where is Latino in those figures?

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by Adam

Whoa, I guess I was way off. I heard it was about 85% black on court tv or something if I remember correctly. Where is Latino in those figures?

Latino is an ethnicity, so the Latino population is shown as either black or white in the race figures. The Latino population is 60,745, or 31.4 % of the total Federal prison population.

[RandallNeighbour]

For what it's worth, I have found that most every ethnic group describes a less-than-ideal situation--when in the company of their own ethnic group--with identifying statements about the color or race of the person in that situation.

I have found myself doing it as well, and I have actually had numerous conversations with my wife over the course of the last 20 years wondering why people do this in general and why I do it in particular. I feel it is a personal character flaw I must work hard to correct today and in the future.

I do wish we were all color blind and we could just tell a story and say "this guy" or "a lady" and leave it at that... and if asked whether the man or woman was white or black or Asian or whatever, we would all have the presence of mind to say, "What does that have to do with anything?"

Of course, then we'd be accused of being sexist by telling the story about a man or a woman when we should have described it as "a person".

This is actually a good thread. It has made me once again review my own hidden prejudices and has set the stage for personal growth and additional change in this area.

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

I only have the federal statistics handy, and it would take a more work than I'm willing to do right now to get you the State and local numbers, but the simple explanation is that your percentages are waaaay off. Below are the actual Bureau of Prisons numbers, including every last prisoner as of November 26, 2006. You'll see that not only aren't blacks 85% of the Federal prison population, they aren't even close to the majority.

White 109,064 (56.4%)
Black 77,714 (40.2%)
Native Am. 3,342 ( 1.7%)
Asian 3,239 ( 1.7%)

( my apologies Grizzly just noticed you said Federal only )

I am pretty sure your numbers are way off. I believe we had approx. 2M people in state and federal prisons at the end of 2005. Another 2M in probation and work/release programs.

US Dept of Justice would have breakdowns by race, crime, state ....

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by gRed04

I am pretty sure your numbers are way off. I believe we had approx. 2M people in state and federal prisons at the end of 2005. Another 2M in probation and work/release programs.

US Dept of Justice would have breakdowns by race, crime, state ....

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that this is the Federal Prison Population Only. I can try to account for all 2+ million prisoners nationwide. The Federal numbers are what I have at my disposal.

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by Grizzly

If you read what I wrote, you'll see that this is the Federal Prison Population Only. I can try to account for all 2+ million prisoners nationwide. The Federal numbers are what I have at my disposal.

Caught that a little too late and apologized in a edit in my post.

[Franco]

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

[super66]

Originally Posted by Franco

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

ah....yes and I thought I was done here....I stopped reading a lot of what that individual posts because much like in this post its rather rude....regardless of whether he is from that country or not....

I feel for Kronix, I never saw what got him kicked off but I saw a lot of the crap that was being spewed back and forth disrespecting Canada.....enough is enough

Oh my, I think I am being called a jerk! One thing about Canadians is they never stop whining. It comes from being born in a country where everything is a big #2 to the US. Soon though you will be living in the country of Quebec so you will not be Canadian much longer. Once they frenchies take control of everything we will see how fast you head back to America.

And, by the way, Knoxnuts was kicked off for something completely unrelated to me. It was after he was kicked off that he returned to threaten and kill me for giving out honest information on Canadian culture.

Ok, todays joke:

An American, a Scot and a Canuk were in a terrible car accident. They were all brought to the same emergency room, but all three of them died before they arrived. Just as they were about to put the toe tag on the American, he stirred and opened his eyes. Astonished, the doctors and nurses present asked him what happened.

"Well," said the American, "I remember the crash, and then there was a beautiful light, and then the Canadian and the Scot and I were standing at the gates of heaven. St. Peter approached us and said that we were all too young to die, and that for a donation of $100, we could return to the earth."

He continued, " So of course, I pulled out my wallet and gave him the $100, and the next thing I knew I was back here."

"That's amazing!" said one of the doctors, "But what happened to the other two?"

"Last I saw them," replied the American, "the Scot was haggling over the price and the Canadian was waiting for the government to pay for his."

Originally Posted by Franco

Thanks to somebody on this FORUM i discovered i was living in a communist country I just new my parents made a mistake when emigrating to CANADA (AMERICA).
Guess who the jerk is went on & on & on & on & on about the love for his EX country.
WHO STOPPED THAT HISTORIAN, NOBODY!
Be careful this is BAIT for all the jerks who think they know it all.

PS; And some forum members were disappointed they missed that stupid thread
Grow up.

[gRed04]

Originally Posted by super66

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Well I for one also agree that several comments were out of line. That is assuming that we all do care for each other for more than the brand of car we drive.

Bruce, I do understand some of your frustration regarding the separation and preferential treatment that certain communities and groups continually push for and the rest of the country is all to willing to abide.

All for the sake of being politically correct. In this day and age it simply divides us further. If we are going to progress we are going to have to stop trying so hard to be different.

However, if we do care about each other than let's not hide behind "free expression" when we know it is not right.

“Do unto others as we would like others to do unto you”. Wise man once reminded us that.

Merry Christmas everyone.

[dbth]

Here's my take.

Racial stereotypes will always exist.Some of the stereotypes have some statistical proof.Others are due to fear , hatred or ignorance.

Different people have different cultures and are thus ARE different.
The answer to narrowing the cultural divide for people of color lies in education and a stronger family unit.

The cycle of poverty , drugs , teenage pregnancy , crime and incarceration is destroying a generation of young people.


While anyone can culturally assimilate to societal norms ,such as Brucelee's banker friend and be accepted, stereotypes won't be changed unless you actually meet the person.

We can't make up for the damage done by generations of hatred and ignorance. Political correctness has imposed a face to face pretense of respect to minorities.

But when white people cross the street when a group of black men walk down the street , does that make them racists or realists?

There are no easy answer to race relations.
But we can at least attempt to stop the disrespect of person based on the color of their skin.

[CJ_Boxster]

Originally Posted by super66

yeah that would be greatly appreciated, but thats a quote so please don't miss the original....

also, I'm geographically challened in terms of California but this to me reads as African Americans can't afford to live in San Jose....not sure if San Jose is a high class area....

"African Americans... In SAN JOSE!!!! maybe they were Michael Jacksons house sitters."

I just think none of this is necessary......I wouldn't be happy reading it about my peeps.....

Why cant i make light of the subject of the geographical locations of where african americans may or may not live.

Im Spanish and Irish and I hear Black comedians make light of how many burritos I eat in a day, how many of my relatives live in one house,How any of us fit into a volkswagon beetle and how much I drink tequila and walk around in "chanklas" sandals. Loads and Loads of stereo types and im fine with it and they area funny too and i laugh at them.

But im sure your ok with racial jokes from black comedians because you have this guilt issue about slaverary so you let it slide, although you werent alive in that era. You probably feel the need to cry racisizm everytime you hear a black joke. Well I dont get offended when i hear irish or spanish/mexican jokes and neither should anyone else just as long as they arent hateful messages disguised as a joke.

By your definition of racisit, 85% of black comedians are racisit cause majority of black comedian material consists of making fun of other races... and they are funny as hell, ie: dave chappel... must be the black-KKK poster child by super66 definition of racisim!

[super66]

Originally Posted by CJ_Boxster

Why cant i make light of the subject of the geographical locations of where african americans may or may not live.

By your definition of racisit, 85% of black comedians are racisit cause majority of black comedian material consists of making fun of other races... and they are funny as hell, ie: dave chappel... must be the black-KKK poster child by super66 definition of racisim!

CJ, Carlos, you can make light of whatever you want and I figured as much you had some mexican in you. For your info I am 100% mexican. And reading my first post you'd see I am as big a fan of chapelle and mencia, and to borrow your term I think they are funny as hell too.....

now that said take the time to go read the posts, you really think those were jokes? you aren't seeing how many people are "fed" up woth politically correct? I mean at some point people thought that abolishing slavery was an absurd thought as well. In fact some people were probably fed up with the talks of abolishing slavery, about allowing blacks to be 1 person, not 3/5ths a person or 2/5ths, can you see I'm not that politcaly correct freak yet?

But dude, I'm not chillin with blinders. Think about it, we had someone here post a link to educate the members on how affirmative action does nothing more that allow minorities to be mediocore? hmmm.....do you no the upside? do you know the whole University of Michigan case with affirmitative action? look it up, its hysterical.....

do yourself a fav, search out eslai's post in this thread because he is spot on....like he said, he doesn't remember all the reasoning and arguments but the basis is there....you ever want to know more, PM me, I'll be happy to chat with you about it......just don't go with blinders, not sure if vijen is mexican, black, asian, who cares really, but I've seen cops, and mexicans aren't the only ones that sit on the curb when they get busted, know what I'm saying???

so with that said, I didn't have too much of a problem with vijens post, the ensuing comments yes, 2 in particular, considering some of the statements came from a member who degrades his very own people, I hardly doubt they were made in a joking matter....

Later bro....FYI, I'm a Carlos too.....well chuck, technicalities......

[MNBoxster]

Hi,

I think the race issue is waaay too complicated to sum up in a single thread on this forum.

But, I also think that PC stifles proper debate, you can't be for some issues and not for others (as an example, one could be for Affirmative Action in education, but oppose favored status for job applications) because PC encompasses the whole Pkg., you cannot pick and choose or you're prejudiced or not PC. I do believe that some minority leaders try to put a collective guilt on all people not of color.

While 4th generation American, I was raised overseas in the '50s, '60s. Race wasn't an issue where I lived, even though there were plenty of non-whites.

Only when we moved back to the States was Race an issue. I was blamed, chided, or discriminated against on numerous occasions because of an assumption of what my people did to Blacks (no racial profiling there of course, associating my skin color with that of the Slave Owners). Certain words which cannot be used by non-minorities, can be used freely by minorities in speech and music, as if the words are non-discriminating so long as they pass through a pair of colored (Black, Red, Brown, anything but non-white) lips.

My ancestors immigrated from Ireland to the US in 1887. In other words, my Great Grandaddy never owned anyone else's Great Grandaddy, so where's the fairness in blaming me and my family for the plight of the Blacks? Or are minorities only interested in achieving Color-Blindness so long as they retain an advantage in doing so?

The Irish were discriminated against horribly when they first arrived in this country, it is well documented. No redress has ever been made of this injustice. The Irish, through the course of a generation, learned to assimilate into the society and rose themselves up out of poverty as have the Germans, Italians, Jews, Poles, Scandinavians and other immigrant groups including many Asian and African immigrants today - through education and hard work. Many Immigrant groups who arrived here, long after many minorities have had their barriers removed, have made much greater strides in a shorter period of time, primarily because they understood and embraced these basic principles.

Society did not accept these groups developing their own subcultures of Language, Dress, mores and still allow them to succeed. Assimilation has always been the doorway to the American Dream. Cultural rites and differences were still retained, revered, and celebrated by these groups within their cultures, such as Columbus Day, St. Patrick's Day, Svenskarnistag Day, St. Stanislaw Day and others.

I could not score less on my SAT and acquire admission to a University. I cannot get low-interest loans for housing, or to start a business, merely based upon the color of my skin, regardless of whether I meet the qualifying standards. I cannot receive favored status on Government or Civil Service job applications. Yet, my people did nothing to subjugate those African ancestors of today's Black population, why am I treated as though they had?

And if, as many people have stated to me over my life, today's preferential treatment of minorities is to make up for past issues of discrimination, when does it end? When will restitution have been made, especially since today's minorities weren't the ones who were actually enslaved?? When will minorities, and Blacks in particular, be responsible for their own lives whether they be a success or a failure?

When a Minority person succeeds in life (regardless of whatever Helping Hand they may or may not have received), they are often commended for having achieved so much, in spite of any barriers.

But, if a Minority person fails, it is Society which is blamed, not the poor judgement or actions (or non-actions) of the individual.

Someone said that if the majority of the population of inner-city jails are minorities, that's not Racial Profiling, it is the Law of Averages (especially if one considers the Inner-city demographics in the US's largest cities).

As I said, too complex a subject to properly delve into here. I'm just disappointed that the Race issue ever came up at all because I never considered anyone on this Forum to merit any more, or less, attention because of their ancestry. I measure a member by the content of their message.

I guess we've lost some of the purity of just being Car Guys and Boxster Owners, and that is disappointing.

But, I believe that if you want something like discrimination to end, you eventually gotta let it go...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[Thumper]

Extremely well said Jim.

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

My ancestors immigrated from Ireland to the US in 1887. In other words, my Great Grandaddy never owned anyone else's Great Grandaddy, so where's the fairness in blaming me and my family for the plight of the Blacks? Or are they only interested in achieving Color-Blindness so long as they retain an advantage in doing so?

Man, it is all about the free ride and has nothing to do with fairness. I was born in Canada, my parents were born in Canada. In Canada we never had slaves. In fact Canada openly welcomed escaped slaves. What color do you think our criminals are? What color do you think our welfare people and ghettos are? The race to crime statistics look a whole lot like the USA. We have quotas at job hiring, at school admission and all those things as well. They cannot say "hey we were slaves in Canada" so instead they make it almost illegal to release statistics. I am glad I live in countries now where no one cares about these things and PC does not exist.