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[Pilot2519j]

Originally Posted by cartagena

No, I agree with everything you said about Fidel being a bad guy and the day he dies I will move back to Cuba. But he has survived for 47 years because the vast majority of Cubans have done NOTHING to stop him.

By the way, I deleted my post right after I wrote it but you responded too fast. I knew it was going to get long winded response that I have heard a million times. The fact of the matter is that the thousands of Cubans I have met over the years (on the island) have done nothing but complain about their condition without a single act of protest. If the Cubans do not think Cuba is worth fighting for, then do not expect anyone else.

Where do I begin after reading your post? Obviously you lack total historical data about Cuba which in this post you have gone from years to one winter in Cuba. So much for your veracity. It could be just ignorance or benign neglect that you are not aware of the facts. In 1961 the Playa of Giron invasion was a wake up call for the exiles when the US backed out of supplying air cover for the invaders. That is a fact and that the great President Kennedy like any good democrat put his tail between his legs and let the Cubans dry with no air cover. Adding insult to injury the US made a secret pact with the Russians of not letting any subversion or invasion of any sort to topple Castro in exchange for having the missiles withdrawn from Cuba. This promise or pact was kept until the USSR imploded. Fidel has protected himself from any demonstration by his comite de defensa del barrio. The function of the comites as trained by the East German Secret Police (Stassi) is to put away any dissident to Isla de Pino for as long as it takes to remold his political outlook. Naturally throw in an execution here and there that always works. There are no weapons that the population of Cuba has at their hands to start shooting since they were rounded up much before your stay in the winter of 1999. Geography works against any kind of subversion since Cuba is an island that is well guarded by the Castro regime. The only ones that get in are the drug runners from Colombia, Panama, Venezuela, Mexico as a layover to continue to the US with their cocaine and illegal drugs that are peddled here. I don't expect anything from anyone since most latin countries made great wealths by having Fidel there. Colombia got a slice of the sugar quota, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Mexico , Puerto Rico all have benifited greatly by the tourism that Cuba used to get. There is no urgency or sympathy to assist any Cuban by any of those countries since they all profit by the situation staying the same. Cuba had the highest standard of living up to 1960 and was the envy of most South American countries. As far as your repartee about Cubans in general is naive. You might have been years " one winter in 1999" but you know nothing of Cuba, Cubans or anything about Cuba. I said what I had to say now, we can talk about the boxsters!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I feel good. I will let the "my friend" comment slide in the spirit of Christmas. Feliz Navidad amigo!

I said spent several years in Cuba and gave you one example of something that happened one winter. I did not say I only spent one winter there. I am sure though you realised that.

Anyway, a lot of what you said is true. You forgot though that Cubans never protest Fidel in Havana, never have strikes, never commit acts of terror against Fidel, never publish a secret newspaper, never vandalise anything, never organise themselves in Cuba or Miami, in fact, they never do just about anything. Even the French showed more cojones when taken over.

Imagine if a US president told the people "hey, by the way, I am a commie and from now on there is no more constitution because we are all now working for the Soviets!" He would not live more than 5 minutes no matter who he had on his side because the people would put an end to him one way or another. But 47 years? To die in his boots?

And one more thing, I have fired a handgun in Cuba. If a tourist can get a gun do not tell me there are no guns. The secret policeman who was suppose to be spying on the tourist was much more interested in going "deep undercover" and spent many a night drinking with me. More than once we went out shooting at trees and things after finishing off a bottle or two of Havana Club. Fidel only needs one bullet and someone with balls. I have seen the bullet...but....the balls?

Originally Posted by Pilot2519j

Where do I begin after reading your post? Obviously you lack total historical data about Cuba which in this post you have gone from years to one winter in Cuba. So much for your veracity. It could be just ignorance or benign neglect that you are not aware of the facts. In 1961 the Playa of Giron invasion was a wake up call for the exiles when the US backed out of supplying air cover for the invaders. That is a fact and that the great President Kennedy like any good democrat put his tail between his legs and let the Cubans dry with no air cover. Adding insult to injury the US made a secret pact with the Russians of not letting any subversion or invasion of any sort to topple Castro in exchange for having the missiles withdrawn from Cuba. This promise or pact was kept until the USSR imploded. Fidel has protected himself from any demonstration by his comite de defensa del barrio. The function of the comites as trained by the East German Secret Police (Stassi) is to put away any dissident to Isla de Pino for as long as it takes to remold his political outlook. Naturally throw in an execution here and there that always works. There are no weapons that the population of Cuba has at their hands to start shooting since they were rounded up much before your stay in the winter of 1999. Geography works against any kind of subversion since Cuba is an island that is well guarded by the Castro regime. The only ones that get in are the drug runners from Colombia, Panama, Venezuela, Mexico as a layover to continue to the US with their cocaine and illegal drugs that are peddled here. I don't expect anything from anyone since most latin countries made great wealths by having Fidel there. Colombia got a slice of the sugar quota, Jamaica, Santo Domingo, Mexico , Puerto Rico all have benifited greatly by the tourism that Cuba used to get. There is no urgency or sympathy to assist any Cuban by any of those countries since they all profit by the situation staying the same. Cuba had the highest standard of living up to 1960 and was the envy of most South American countries. As far as your repartee about Cubans in general is naive. You might have been years " one winter in 1999" but you know nothing of Cuba, Cubans or anything about Cuba. I said what I had to say now, we can talk about the boxsters!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I feel good. I will let the "my friend" comment slide in the spirit of Christmas. Feliz Navidad amigo!

[djomlas]

yugo is not a bad car.

my uncles yugo has over 500k miles on it, just regular maintenance.

i wish i can say that a boxster will do the same

[MNBoxster]

HI,

I think Cartagena has a point. It is true that the Many are governed by the Few, but by the consent of the Many. This is the only way that any ruler or govt. can rule.

Using his example of the President, if the poeple resolutely opposed him and called for his ouster or a disolution of the government, if the President chose not to abide by their wishes, he would only have the Armed Forces to impose his will upon the population. The total number of people in the Armed Forces is 1,421,950. How long do you think they can hold out against 328,500,000 determined citizens in opposition? They would be outnumbered 328:1.

The Military is more powerful than civilians, but it's akin to an army of Ants attacking an Elephant. The Elephant will kill thousands with each stomp of it's feet, but in the end, the Ants will win. But, this theory, and any real revolution, starts with a citizenry united and steadfast in their opposition, and who are willing to die as individuals to insure the revolution succeeds...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

[C5150]

I guess that it isn't much of a surprise to me that Porsche is somehow connected to the King of oppression. My car oppresses the road every day!

-C5150

[unklekraker]

Originally Posted by C5150

I guess that it isn't much of a surprise to me that Porsche is somehow connected to the King of oppression. My car oppresses the road every day!

-C5150

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

The total number of people in the Armed Forces is 1,421,950. How long do you think they can hold out against 328,500,000 determined citizens in opposition? They would be outnumbered 328:1.

The 328:1 does not even have to fight the armed forces. Just go on a strike, do not work, do not provide the military with the food it needs, the electricity, the oil, the transportation network, etc. If the people unite in any country they can take out any military in a few days. The problem is the people have to all agree in the change and be organised. When Fidel did his switch from "I want democracy" to "Oh, did I mention we are all commies now" the people should have attacked him on the spot and hanged him from the nearest lamp pole. If there was military protecting Fidel then the people should have burned down every government building in Havana. The Cubans love to say (incorrectly) how there are no guns but they forget that gasoline and dynamite can do wonders in a revolution. But what did the people of Havana do when Fidel announced that there was no more constitution and everyone now worked for the Soviets? Nothing. They all looked at each other and said "ok Fidel, you are the boss!" Others just got on an airplane and went to Miami. Probably deep down they all wanted to live in the USA anyway so they used Fidel to justify leaving Cuba. There are over a million exiles now in the US and yet they have never formed a militia to liberate their country.

Originally Posted by MNBoxster

But, this theory, and any real revolution, starts with a citizenry united and steadfast in their opposition, and who are willing to die as individuals to insure the revolution succeeds...

Yes, and the "willing to die" part is not found in the Cuban vocabulary. If I was born in a communist society with no hope, no future and entirely enslaved to one man, I think death would be an improvement. I would also hate my parents for bringing me into such as world where they were too thoughtless to think of my future. If Americans thought like Cubans you would all have a Queen right now.

[Pilot2519j]

Yes, and the "willing to die" part is not found in the Cuban vocabulary. If I was born in a communist society with no hope, no future and entirely enslaved to one man, I think death would be an improvement. I would also hate my parents for bringing me into such as world where they were too thoughtless to think of my future. If Americans thought like Cubans you would all have a Queen right now.[/QUOTE]


In my life I never witness personal attacks like the ones emanating from your posts. Your writing indicates a misguided attitudes against Cuban exiles following the line of our beloved Fidel. Your parents were obvious Fidel sympathizers maybe from the 1948 Bogotazo. I can't expect much from someone who says one thing and then changes it later ie I spent years to "I spent a winter". You are just a tourist going to Cuba and enjoying the climate, water maybe women who knows?Essentially this is a Porsche post my comments initially were aimed as to how individuals are broken to work for totalitarian governments. The question that begs an answer is what did a Cuban exile do to you or is it Fidel that taught you well to hate Cuban exiles. The venom you preach is dotted with envy and ignorance. Why else would someone buy a Porsche automatic?

[Brucelee]

OK guys, this post is going straight to the dogs.