10-10-2006, 05:55 PM
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Need Help: Short Shifter
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10-10-2006, 06:09 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 7,243
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DelubozParts gave me one for free for doing the header and muffler mod on my car and I have yet to get it installed. So I can tell you that the parts themselves look like quality stuff, but I do not know how they feel installed yet.
As a rule of thumb, the shorter the throw, the more force will be required to get the car into the various gears.
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10-10-2006, 06:19 PM
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Install it yourself, thats the only way, lol. I have looked at the B&M instructions and it looks like 70% of the work if taking the center console out.
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10-10-2006, 06:20 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: South Bend, IN
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I'll try to help...
Bogg,
I've tried to wade through this discussion myself and have recently made a purchase of a short shifter...here is what i remember from various boards and conversations with my dealer...
B&M - top quality, feels the closest to engaging metal shift gates to the laymen, those in the know say this feels like you are shifting through hard plastic bushings, US manufacture and R&D, most money outlaid
Schnell - haven’t heard any quality issues, shift engagement feeling is a little less positive than B&M but more mechanical than stock boxster, those in the know describe the engagement as if shifting through hard rubber bushings, shift rod is canted toward driver some small number of degrees (some like this, some don't, I've heard it makes for a strange Reverse placement, but I cannot verify), unsure of manufacturing nation or R&D efforts (I've heard that some of the others give you a knock off of the B&M installation instructions, not sure if it's Schnell or some of the others), mid-line price range
Others - There is a shifter out there that looks identical to the B&M, I've heard no issues with quality, shift engagement feel is similar to the Schnell, perhaps 85% of the Schnell feel may be accurate, shares the same 10deg (or so) canted shift knob rod, and comes with instructions (perhaps copy of B&M), again, unknown manufacturing and unknown R&D, budget priced
So...I know this is not all very scientific and I wavered about just keeping my mouth shut for that very reason...however, this is what I remember from making my decision...two things i remember: 1. no quality issues were reported with any of the short shifters that people looked at from ebay (B&M, Schnell, B&M look-a-like), 2. all reduce the shift and improve the feel. I don't think you can go wrong, just ask yourself what you want and what you are willing to pay for it and you should be happy with the outcome.
For me, the third most important interface with my car is the shift mechanism, as such, I was craving that metal shift gate feel, along with that, I got the satisfaction of knowing I'm supporting a company that supports us as well through it's R&D efforts. Additionally, my mechanic has installed several of the B&M's and has not had a single issue with any. As far as value, I purchase through bumperplugs.com when they ran the 24hr special last Friday and I got it for $199. I'm satisfied with the price v. quality. Install scheduled for this Friday so I'll give you my stock to B&M comparisons then.
Let me know if you have any questions on the above, and I'll try to answer or I'll defer if I just don't know.
Good Luck with your decision.
Cheers,
--troy
Last edited by racer_troy; 10-10-2006 at 06:28 PM.
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10-10-2006, 06:30 PM
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Thanks, I am not so much concerned with the type of shifter as I am with the cost and quality of the ebay shifters. I would probably get the schnell if price werent a concern. I want to know if all those shifters are the same because if they are, I would get the $60 one. And has anyone installed a shifter? How hard is it?
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10-10-2006, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: South Bend, IN
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eBay B&M clones
...sorry, can't speak on the B&M clones being all the same or not...just like you...I can look at the same pics posted on the ads and wonder...however, it may or may not be beneficial to inquire to the sellers as to point of manufacture, involvement with manufacturer, R&D, what ever your inquiring mind wants to know? If you get a good answer and feel and start to build report with the re-seller, this may go along way if you eventually do have an issue with the product...
...at 60bucks you may find that you have the best value proposition yet...i'm interested to see what you find out
good luck...
Cheers,
--troy
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10-10-2006, 06:44 PM
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I sent questions to the sellers and I will post what (or if) they write back. this is basically what I asked them: Who is the manufacturer of this shifter and will you provide a warranty?
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10-12-2006, 09:59 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: chicago
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just wanna shed some light on the short shifters.
this is also not porsche related.
when i had a camaro with LS1 powerplant, the car came with an expencive respectable company short shifter. i found one that is even shorter for about 15 dollars on ebay and sold the other one for 170.
the quality of the 15 dollar one was wayyyy better than the other one, so i was satisfied and the shiftes were amazingly shorter and felt much 'stiffer'
also, ask if they offer returns if anything goes bad, if they do...wel give it a shot and if its good we can all get a short shifter at bargain price.
just my .02, and sorry i wasnt able to help out with the original posted shifters because i have no experience with them.
mladen
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