10-10-2019, 02:43 PM
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Who's askin'?
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Jake does not sell products, only complete engines.
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Riiiiiggghhht...... ;-)
So he has zero interest in L/N with Charles.... and has zero interest in THE IMS SOLUTION ?
if that's true, then we're not talking about raby anyway, because we've been talking about the purveyor of that product.
And 10; piper already set ya straight, below. I don't know why you'd want to continue being offended?
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10-10-2019, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by maytag
Riiiiiggghhht...... ;-)
So he has zero interest in L/N with Charles.... and has zero interest in THE IMS SOLUTION ?
if that's true, then we're not talking about raby anyway, because we've been talking about the purveyor of that product.
And 10; piper already set ya straight, below. I don't know why you'd want to continue being offended?
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Who's offended?
And yes, he has no interest in LN, that is Charles Navarro's business.
And Piper had not "set me straight" about anything; he is entitled to his opinions, and I am equally entitled to disagree with them. But if anything, with years in this business, I have learned to stop talking when someone does not want to hear a dissenting opinion, regardless of how much experience it is based upon.
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10-10-2019, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by piper6909
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Charles runs an extensive machine shop, so he has no ability to test concepts in engines. Jake has an equally extensive engine prep and testing facility, and can evaluate and test ideas and components to destruction. Charles has used Jake's abilities and facility for many years to evaluate products of all types, some of which never saw daylight.
As for the Solution, if memory serves, Jake and either developed or was in the process of developing the Solution when Charles approached him about the idea for an open ceramic hybrid bearing, which after substantial testing at Jake's facility become the LN retrofit product(s). Jake completed his development of the Solution, and then patented it before LN began production of it and released it to the public. As the patent holder, I'm sure Jake gets a residual off the Solution kits that LN produce; which is exactly why patents exist.
As for my comment about your "opinion", that was directed at the EPS product, not Jake or Charles relationship. They are both business men, and as other have commented, very nice guys as well. But as astute business men, I would hardly expect them to act otherwise.
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10-10-2019, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Charles runs an extensive machine shop, so he has no ability to test concepts in engines. Jake has an equally extensive engine prep and testing facility, and can evaluate and test ideas and components to destruction. Charles has used Jake's abilities and facility for many years to evaluate products of all types, some of which never saw daylight.
As for the Solution, if memory serves, Jake and either developed or was in the process of developing the Solution when Charles approached him about the idea for an open ceramic hybrid bearing, which after substantial testing at Jake's facility become the LN retrofit product(s). Jake completed his development of the Solution, and then patented it before LN began production of it and released it to the public. As the patent holder, I'm sure Jake gets a residual off the Solution kits that LN produce; which is exactly why patents exist.
As for my comment about your "opinion", that was directed at the EPS product, not Jake or Charles relationship. They are both business men, and as other have commented, very nice guys as well. But as astute business men, I would hardly expect them to act otherwise.
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So you agree that Jake stands to make a profit from the sale of IMS Solutions. Which was my point exactly: He's pushing a product.
Unless, of course, he sold his patent to LN outright, in which case he made a lump sum and gets nothing more from the sales. But if he did that, he'd still have a awkward relationship with them if he turned around and said there's a better product out there, like I dunno... EPS? 
Last edited by piper6909; 10-10-2019 at 03:55 PM.
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10-10-2019, 02:53 PM
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Who's askin'?
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Location: Utah
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Who's offended?
And yes, he has no interest in LN, that is Charles Navarro's business.
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10/10ths said he's offended.
And yes, I know LN is Charles' enterprise, but it sure seems they blur the lines regularly. I don't believe for a moment that Raby has no vested interest in the IMS SOLUTION. And likely some other products as well. But that's not a problem.
Everyone seems to misunderstand my comments about JR/CN/LN.
I think they're awesome, frankly. I think they develop great stuff for us all. I think their knowledge is HUGE. and I've heard they're also really nice guys.
Where I get less enthusiastic is with the zealots. The people who quote raby like scripture. The ones who think that if raby said it then it's above question. The ones who like to name-drop to try to win an argument. And yes, the ones who think raby has no agenda. He most clearly DOES have an agenda, since he makes his living off of people believing his way is best (if not "only" way).
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10-10-2019, 03:15 PM
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Maytag...
....I never posted that I was offended.
Go back and read.
Before this gets outta hand, I am leaving this thread.
For folks who want to know my opinion on this subject, please just search all of my posts. I have written extremely detailed posts on my wonderful experience with Jake Raby and Flat 6 Innovations and how wonderful the entire experience has been working with him and his folks.
Am I a Jake Raby fanboy? Absolutely. He has been awesome to deal with. He has always answered all of my questions immediately and has been there to back up everything he has done.
I really do not understand why anyone would be less than enthusiastic discussing Jake Raby and company. My personal experience has been spectacular.
Again, I never said I was offended.
Cheers.
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