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Brucelee · 07-20-2006, 05:59 AM

But, hey the guy admitted he was speeding and the technology actually functioned correctly.

I guess I am not really seeing the distinction here. If I am really breaking the law, how much credence do you put in my complaint about HOW I got caught?

Perhaps we should just admit we don't like it when we get caught?

RandallNeighbour · 07-20-2006, 06:21 AM

Rail, it's time to apply the license plate spray when you next travel through that part of the country.

I'd fight it though, or get a ticket-fixing lawyer who lives in that area to get it dismissed for you.

denverpete · 07-20-2006, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brucelee

But, hey the guy admitted he was speeding and the technology actually functioned correctly.

I guess I am not really seeing the distinction here. If I am really breaking the law, how much credence do you put in my complaint about HOW I got caught?

Perhaps we should just admit we don't like it when we get caught?

For me it's less that I got caught and more that photo radar is so obviously a mechanism for revenue enhancement.

BTW, I put a lot of credence into HOW. You could say it's one of the foundations of our country.....

xtopher · 07-20-2006, 06:34 AM

Scottsdale may have to remove the photo speed cameras. They were deemed illegal by the state since they were erected on a state funded and ran highway by the city of Scottsdale without permission. Scotsdale is fighting this ruling.

There are signs at the city limits and those who drive it on a regular basis know where the cameras are and just speed up and slow down accordingly. Scottsdsdale has said they are set fot 10 over the 65 limit.

There is a gentleman going to court sometime soon to fight his 147 mph ticket he received in his rental Hyundai Sonata. His lawyer claims the car cant even go that fast and the system must be faulty.

Chris

hdpt73 · 07-20-2006, 07:40 AM

you should have smelt the scent of pork long before you hit that pigbox. maybe you should invest in a radar detector. that will save you loads of money and time.

ohioboxster · 07-20-2006, 07:53 AM

Quote.Here in MN, you can subpeona all the maintenance records on the Radar Unit and ask, at the scene, for a calibration readout of the equipment. The Officer presses a button on the Radar and the readout must return to 0MPH, any other number and the unit is off.

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Jim, lets face it. You go to court hoping the cop doesnt show up. I have to tell you thats not how you check the calibration of a radar unit. Radar units work off the doppler effect and are checked using tuning forks. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

MNBoxster · 07-20-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ohioboxster

Quote.Here in MN, you can subpeona all the maintenance records on the Radar Unit and ask, at the scene, for a calibration readout of the equipment. The Officer presses a button on the Radar and the readout must return to 0MPH, any other number and the unit is off.

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Jim, lets face it. You go to court hoping the cop doesnt show up. I have to tell you thats not how you check the calibration of a radar unit. Radar units work off the doppler effect and are checked using tuning forks. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

Hi,

I've never had a Speeding Ticket or any moving violation. I did sucessfully argue two of them in court though. The point is, these things are subject to Human Error and you should have the right to defend yourself. We authorize the Police to enforce the Law, I do not think that authorization should extend to Private Corporations just to make the Cops' lives or work easier, so they can get to the Doughnut Shop an hour earlier. If their job is hard, so be it, if you don't like it, don't be a Cop. No Taxpayer money is being used to make my job easier for me...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

Perfectlap · 07-20-2006, 08:17 AM

funny I've been driving cautiously since I have been without my lazer detection for a few days after the clip broke holding my v1 to the windshield. The K and Ka still work though.

these speed sensor things are all over Europe. I think Austria has really cracked down Road & Track attempted a road test and said the speed sensing cameras prevented them from going all out on a nice twisty road with one car.

I kind of like this concept. If you are going to sincerely try and get people to drive slower then this is the way. Setting an artificialy high speed limit and then arbitrarily picking people off never gets anything accomplished. People keep on doing 90mph in minivans. It's a very flagrant cover to just rake in more municipal funds.

yeah always fight your tickets. I've done it many many times. They don't even put up a fight just ask me for more dough and tell me they'll drop the points. SOLD.

now where to get that license plate spray...

Rail26 · 07-20-2006, 08:27 AM

My two cents:

1. I was speeding...I got caught. I just think I should be caught by a cop sitting there on the side of the road and face the whole accuser thing.

2. I have a good radar detector. This thing does not work on radar.

3. With no signs being posted....what if I drove that road for two weeks straight and didn't get any tickets because I don't live there and when I get home there is 14 speeding tickets waiting for me?

4. Finallly, I got caught. In reality, all I have to do is take a class and it gets expunged, I don't have to pay the ticket and my insurance even goes down. I just don't like being caught by a box with no warning. I also think deer hunting should be accomplished with bare hands...give the hunted a chance.

ohioboxster · 07-20-2006, 10:11 AM

Mnboxster,

Im not sure how to quote your statements but, I dont believe a photo speed enforcement system makes a cops life any easier. As a matter of fact I know quite a few that absolutely cant stand that system. Its stupid comments like "so they can get to a donut shop an hour earlier" that just irritate me to no end. You have TRULY shown your ignorance and I will refrain from responding to your replys on this topic.
You said,"I did sucessfully argue two of them in court though." and you have no idea how radar works? Flag on the play Jim.

myeboxsters · 07-20-2006, 10:13 AM

Not sure if this will work or not, as I've never tried it and don't know anyone who has. I seem to recall, from law school, something about being able to beat any photo-ticket under the "confrontation clause" of the federal constitution. generally, you have the right to confront (cross examine) witness against you and since you can't cross examine a camera, the evidence should be OUT.

ohioboxster · 07-20-2006, 10:28 AM

In Ohio its considered a civil matter, if you dont pay it you dont get points on your license but it will go on your credit report as an unpaid bill. I should add if you dont pay it. Its pretty new here and Im not sure if anyone has tried to fight it to date. I would have to say the therory of not being able to cross examine a camera would be incorrect. Im sure there is records you could subpoena regarding the calibration of the equip.

eslai · 07-20-2006, 10:31 AM

I'm with Jim on this one. Bruce, your logic basically amounts to "the ends justifies the means". You were breaking the law, so who cares how they caught you!

That opens FAR too many doors.

But, one thing I can say is that if there's no one manning these things, then there's no one to write me up for having a device that defeats it. I'm sure there will be a market for that soon enough. No technology is bulletproof.

Brucelee · 07-20-2006, 11:10 AM

Nice try Jim, trying to tie this to Freedom and Liberty!

Hey, you are talking to a genuine LIBERTARIAN.

Having said that, it is an established fact that driving is NOT a right, but a privledge, said privledge being withheld for all sorts of reasons.

So, if in fact, businesses can sell us all kinds of gizmos to try and avoid a speeding ticket, do you then believe that the police cannot follow suit in order to legally give a ticket to my sorry ass as I knowingly break the law?

C'mon guys, this is not a libertarian issue, you just don't like getting caught and you should just fess up and say so. This "facing our accuser crap is funny I think!"

BTW-

I do NOT have a radar detector and have not had a speeding ticket since 1970.

Hey, how do I do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-20-2006, 08:09 AM

But someone just said its not radar... Its piezzo electric fibers embeded in 2 slabs of concrete. It basically counts the time you go between plates and lets say in the easiest possible scenario the plates are 30 miles apart and it takes you 30 minutes, thats 60mph, but in reality they are only like 10 feet apart or something.

MNBoxster · 07-20-2006, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brucelee

But, hey the guy admitted he was speeding and the technology actually functioned correctly.

I guess I am not really seeing the distinction here. If I am really breaking the law, how much credence do you put in my complaint about HOW I got caught?

Perhaps we should just admit we don't like it when we get caught?

Bruce,

I hear what you're saying, but the erosion of Personal Privacy and Liberties is very subtle and ALWAYS in the name of a Good Cause, even in Nazi Germany the proposed segregation of the Jews and loss of rights to unwarranted searches and such were for the Good of the State.

The Good of the State must be considered, but Politicians always use these causes to further control over the Population. The Homeland Security Act, for example, may seem necessary right now, I do not dispute this. But, if so, why not place a Sundown Clause on it's use so it may be removed once the threat is passed? Keep reassessing the situation and renew as the People deem necessary.

But, as the Act is defined right now, you can be held incomunicado for a great length of time without being charged or given access to cousel just because some buraucrat deems you a threat. Your home can be searched without acquiring or presenting you with a warrant - this is all very bad. No one cares until it happens to them or someone they know.

I read a shocking Harvard Study which stated that the average American now spends over 6 Hrs. cumulatively each day on a Security Camera. Whether shopping in the Mall, going to the ATM, the Supermarket, the workplace, or just driving past Traffic Control Cameras on the Freeway. That's too much! My house is in the frame of the security cameras of a Federal Facility - Lock & Dam #1 on the Mississippi River. I have seen the tapes and there's my house in the background 24/7 for anyone to see and possibly use against me.

In many cases, such evidence is Public Information (as are Traffic Citations) subject to supeona or the Freedom of Information Act, or access hasn't been tested in the courts or defined. Suppose a Divorce Lawyer were to supeona tapes showing you and your Mistress in the Mall at a restaurant or your Boss uses tapes of you joyriding on a day you called in sick to terminate you? Or, your Insurance Co. uses them to hike your rates? The potential for misuse or greater incursion into one's liberties is just too great...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99