05-12-2017, 05:10 AM
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IMS tell tale
I purchased a 02 986. do not know if the IMS bearing issue was resolved on the car.
I did my first oil change. cut the old oil filter open. absolutely no metal fillings whatsoever!
Is the IMS issue been replaced?
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05-12-2017, 05:18 AM
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Not entirely sure why people keep going on about this, if you had nothing in the filter then you have nothing to worry about.
Now go and drive it.
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05-12-2017, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by That986
Not entirely sure why people keep going on about this, if you had nothing in the filter then you have nothing to worry about.
Now go and drive it.
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Simple: the number of single row bearing owners that have taken similar advice and ended up paying the price for it...........
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05-12-2017, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Simple: the number of single row bearing owners that have taken similar advice and ended up paying the price for it...........
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And the fact that he (I presume) just recently bought the car. All things "new" that may or may not have a serious known problem are something to be aware of. Reassurance is a good thing for a new owner, especially on a used car. I know that's where I have been (but it's getting better.) 
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05-12-2017, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Simple: the number of single row bearing owners that have taken similar advice and ended up paying the price for it...........
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Figures please.......
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05-12-2017, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by That986
Figures please.......
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When last compiled several years ago in the class action, it was greater than 10% failure rate. As more have failed since, it is reasonable to assume that number would now be higher, but there is no way to know by how much.
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05-12-2017, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Simple: the number of single row bearing owners that have taken similar advice and ended up paying the price for it...........
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Count me as one of those who at 100k miles fell for "if it's good at 30k it's good at 230k" myth/lie and regrets it to this day
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05-12-2017, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
Simple: the number of single row bearing owners that have taken similar advice and ended up paying the price for it...........
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What's the anecdotal failure rate?
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05-12-2017, 07:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pidj
What's the anecdotal failure rate?
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This is what i'd like to know and every time i ask it gets ignored.
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05-12-2017, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by That986
This is what i'd like to know and every time i ask it gets ignored.
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You have your answer.
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05-12-2017, 05:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith box 02
I purchased a 02 986. do not know if the IMS bearing issue was resolved on the car.
I did my first oil change. cut the old oil filter open. absolutely no metal fillings whatsoever!
Is the IMS issue been replaced?
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Without records to prove it has been done, you are making a baseless assumption, which can prove disastrous (yours is a single row bearing engine, which has shown the highest probability for failures)..
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05-12-2017, 08:16 AM
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If it is a stick, it will need a clutch and RMS sometime- so better now while it is a simple ,relatively inexpensive job. Add a few 'while you are in there' jobs and you'll probably have a great car for years to come.It is like Insurance -if you have it, you're unlikely to need it.If you don't have it.....
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05-12-2017, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Gelbster
If it is a stick, it will need a clutch and RMS sometime- so better now while it is a simple ,relatively inexpensive job. Add a few 'while you are in there' jobs and you'll probably have a great car for years to come.It is like Insurance -if you have it, you're unlikely to need it.If you don't have it.....
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But if it's a Tip you can't piggy back this project on a clutch job. And it costs more to pull a Tip as well. So much for buying a Tip with the belief that "at least I'll never have to bother with a clutch change"
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05-12-2017, 08:47 AM
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I am amazed there are people who still don't believe it is an issue.
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05-12-2017, 10:10 AM
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Quite simply, this is the same issue we have been facing with other cars for decades with timing belts. It's a maintenance item.
Either you gamble and don't replace it, or prevent engine disruption by being proactive and replacing it before it fails.
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05-12-2017, 10:23 AM
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While I would love it to be non-existent as an issue, I'm taking the maintenance tack: short oil change intervals (monitor for debris), change bearing with clutch and RMS .... only challenge is that historically clutches seem to last me longer than 20 000 miles ... so ....
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05-12-2017, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pidj
While I would love it to be non-existent as an issue, I'm taking the maintenance tack: short oil change intervals (monitor for debris), change bearing with clutch and RMS .... only challenge is that historically clutches seem to last me longer than 20 000 miles ... so ....
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What does the clutch lasting 20K miles have to do with anything?
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05-13-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JFP in PA
What does the clutch lasting 20K miles have to do with anything?
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Have you been following the thread?
Clutch job means it's your opportunity to change the RMS and IMS, due to cost effectiveness.
What if you're clutch is still good? What do you do???? What about the children????
"Bridge mean more traffic. More traffic mean more money ..."
sheesh.
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05-13-2017, 11:52 PM
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Ok, here's my take on it...
There wouldn't have been a class action lawsuit brought against them, and PCNA wouldn't have settled, if there wasn't some merit to the argument that the single row bearings have a higher than acceptable failure rate.
If it worries you, have an LN ceramic bearing installed. Any shop that does it should pre-qualify your engine (by checking for metal debris in the oil filter and sump) before doing it. If they find metal, start sourcing a good used replacement engine or commit to tearing it down and rebuilding it.
If you never want to have to worry about the IMS bearing again, have an IMS solution installed. This will only prevent your engine from going boom from an IMS bearing failure. There are lots of other things that can cause your engine to go boom... (in my case it was a horribly stretched main timing chain which we caught just in time).
Whether it worries you or not, just get out there and drive it ("like you stole it").
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Last edited by BirdDog; 05-15-2017 at 09:42 AM.
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05-13-2017, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 911monty
Well PIDJeon You might want to get your VAGINA hat resized, I think it's cutting blood off to your brain. Look at your posts, these are from someone on here since all of FEB and you're judging his credibility??? Read your posts and look in a mirror, there is/was only one insulting and acting like a left wing twerp here. You are way overboard and while JFP can certainly handle himself a post like yours leaves me pissed to the point I am compelled to respond. With your attitude here's hoping you end your post count at 89. Enjoy the Cheesecake Factory and lest I forget GFY!!
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Lol! Well I think it's clear why some of these cars get vandalized. Smell ya later. You're all class.
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