A place for my piece

[cfos]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So, again - show me an actual occurrence. Or you can't? And I wouldn't make the criminal poop his pants, I'd empty the clip. It's not a competition to see who has the biggest dick, it's life and death. Talk about being righteous? The stupidity flows from you like a river.

Is this recent enough for you Petey?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/03/he-thought-he-could-help-concealed-carry-gun-wielder-intervenes-in-domestic-dispute-and-is-shot-dead/

[FoxRvrBox]

Two of my favorite topics rolled into one! Here in the Peoples Republic of Illinois its difficult but not impossible to get a concealed carry permit. The vast majority of US shootings are by / between criminals. The anti-2A crowd will not differentiate the two. Criminals, by definition, will not obey any anti-gun law. Disarming the law abiding will not make us safer.
The link from cfos is a story about a concealed carrier who tried to assist in an altercation and was killed ... it does not make peterbrowns point invalid - he is asking for a doucumented situation where a CC holder used his gun in anger, which this is clearly not.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So, again - show me an actual occurrence. Or you can't? And I wouldn't make the criminal poop his pants, I'd empty the clip. It's not a competition to see who has the biggest dick, it's life and death. Talk about being righteous? The stupidity flows from you like a river.

You'd empty the clip? And potentially hit innocent bystanders, or damage others property, as it's highly unlikely you would hit your target 100% of the time with your adrenaline going and heart pounding.....

I'd hate to be standing anywhere near you at that time.

I'd still rather give him my wallet and spend a few minutes on the phone cancelling my credit cards than spending potentially hours and hours at the police station or hospital or worse....lots and lots of time at the morgue.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by peterbrown77

So you're implying I'd shoot someone who cut in line in front of my if I have my gun with me? F you. Do you know how difficult it is to get a CC permit? You show me where someone with a licensed firearm and permit ever did something like that. Your stupid analogy is just that - stupid.

Here you go, Petey.

VPC: Concealed Carry Killers

[pilut2]

I'm so glad that daily life in Canada doesn't involve the worry of defending oneself. I don't envy you guys.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by FoxRvrBox

The link from cfos is a story about a concealed carrier who tried to assist in an altercation and was killed ... it does not make peterbrowns point invalid - he is asking for a doucumented situation where a CC holder used his gun in anger, which this is clearly not.

Ah! My bad. Will this one meet the criteria? So many rules here... really kills the metaphors and possible-world semantics. But we must be accurate, or surely cfos will draw out something we say and poke fun at the grammar, innuendo, and general language used. That guy is such an ass.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/05/05/parishioner-shot-to-death-in-church-during-hymns-was-only-armed-with-his-bible-police-say/

I understand that the article above describes a "seating" incident - which does not DIRECTLY correlate to "standing on line" (pardon my regional grasp of dialect, I still, to this day prefer "on line" in place of "in line"), but in essence, I do feel that the whole argument arose from placement, some stupid argument, and well, anger. I guess... we will never know... for surely the argument would have been made that the result would have been the same had the guy brought a knife to a "bible fight". Am I right? And I'm sure, out there, somewhere, there are churchgoers that may/can be armed and do not shoot others. Is there an article about that?

[petee_c]

Interesting and entertaining discussion.

Brought up in Canada, our gun laws are really restrictive. I have looked at getting a RPAL to own a handgun, but haven't had the time. You're talking about a waiting list to attend a day(?) long safety course, and then a lengthy waiting period for your application to go through the RCMP.

You can only fire it at your own approved range. Plinking in the back 90 not allowed.

Sadly, I only can fire my pellet gun in my basement range. Working on stacking 5 pellets in a dime.

The law does not look kindly at using a firearm for home defence up here.

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[jb92563]

This is how you defend your property and loved ones in Canada.







Don't need no stinking guns here!

[Timco]

Guys, guys, guys.

It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Pistols have a mag well. Only an M1 Garand (Canadian) and some stripper clip WWII guns use clips.

Thank you for your cooperation. Carry on...

[jb92563]

Originally Posted by Timco

Guys, guys, guys.

It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Pistols have a mag well. Only an M1 Garand (Canadian) and some stripper clip WWII guns use clips.

Thank you for your cooperation. Carry on...

Yes, stripper clip (bullets on a clip) is for loading a fixed Magazine (below)quickly.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by pilut2

I'm so glad that daily life in Canada doesn't involve the worry of defending oneself. I don't envy you guys.

You have a government.

Therefore you have something you may possibly need to defend yourself from.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

You have a government.

Therefore you have something you may possibly need to defend yourself from.

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.

You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??

We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Giller

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.

You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??

We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

The term "COME AND TAKE IT" comes to mind....

And "WILL NOT COMPLY".

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Giller

Um, not likely with a gun.....that's what a 'vote' is for.



You thinking of rising up against your government with a weapon??



We have a problem with the government, we elect a new one. Majority rules. If you don't like it, move. Then again, I think our system up North has more checks/balances and the Prime Minister does not have nearly the same power as your President does.

For the time being the constitution and court system defends my rights and that's part of why I don't own a gun and if I acquire one in the next 10 years or so is give or take.

But you have to be careful who you elect because that person could do away with those checks and balances. Not that I think it'll happen in my life time or that I want to have it happen, but I like to have the right to a gun to defend myself against the government above all else. If I have a problem with a criminal id rather the police deal with it, but what if some day the police become a gastapo. We reinstate the draft. Eminent domaine becomes a bigger problem then it already is. Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-seized-40-land-rovers-imported-to-the-u-s-1605985758

For now the constitution protects the rights of the individual but with increasingly Authoritarian candidates being pushed for by voters left and right be them socialist or borderline Facist, Amongst increasing use of executive order from our current president and likely next. There may come a day that the idea of a milita isn't too crazy after all.

It's like an airbag in a car, heavy and useless and shouldn't ever be needed. But it's nice to have if God forbid you do need it.

[Pdwight]

I just wanted some ideas on places...especially if I forgot and left the top down for 30 minutes or so. We can ll debate the rights and cause and effect till we turn Lapis in the face. I love firearms , always have....I also love Engines (Car, plane miniature model), tools etc. Guns are what you make of them, if you want to go to see a different side of firearms go to Camp Perry and watch the Nationals. People have been killing each other since there have two or more of us....

I appreciate all your input on this.

All my Best
Dwight

[Deserion]

I may look into fabbing a metal lockbox to fit under one of the seats. Somewhat inconspicuous.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

For the time being the constitution and court system defends my rights and that's part of why I don't own a gun and if I acquire one in the next 10 years or so is give or take.

But you have to be careful who you elect because that person could do away with those checks and balances. Not that I think it'll happen in my life time or that I want to have it happen, but I like to have the right to a gun to defend myself against the government above all else. If I have a problem with a criminal id rather the police deal with it, but what if some day the police become a gastapo. We reinstate the draft. Eminent domaine becomes a bigger problem then it already is. Or they keep knocking down people's doors over land rovers.

The Feds Just Seized 40 Land Rovers Imported To The U.S.

For now the constitution protects the rights of the individual but with increasingly Authoritarian candidates being pushed for by voters left and right be them socialist or borderline Facist, Amongst increasing use of executive order from our current president and likely next. There may come a day that the idea of a milita isn't too crazy after all.

It's like an airbag in a car, heavy and useless and shouldn't ever be needed. But it's nice to have if God forbid you do need it.

The challenge is if things get that bad, it's too late. They will have disarmed you all first.

[Pdwight]

No offense to our friends from the North or anywhere.....but;

The South Will Never Be Disarmed ...we might burn...but trust me from someone who has lived here almost 60 years....It will never happen here

[CHRISP357]

I'm reminded of the pathetic cowards who criticize our troops to cover their fear of fighting in the military. If you aren't confident enough to carry and want a nanny state to defend you and your family, fine. Just keep your mouth ( or fingers in this case) shut. No one asked your opinion here.

[Pdwight]

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.