I was a victim and it was my own fault.

[jb92563]

Originally Posted by Chuck W.

Your statement is incorrect on several levels, and the police don't shot to kill. If the use of deadly force is warranted police shoot with the understanding that their actions may result in death. They don't shot to kill.

I guess maybe its just my perception then, plus if police decide to shoot, they will likely hit what they are aiming for and I assume its the upper torso and will keep shooting till the threat is subdued? (Mortally wounded due to good aim=dead?).

We have all seen the 3rd party videos of police shooting perps and the result is nearly always the same for the perp.

Shoot to kill may not be the politically correct terminology, but if an officer draws his weapon its because he intends to shoot and use deadly force and he is usually successful.

I would never run from police or try to resist as it only takes the hint of intent to give sufficient cause for police to draw weapons, and I'm good with that, so those that do try to resist perhaps have a death wish
Anyways, I respect the job police do, feel bad they put themselves in harms way far too often and am glad that they hit what they aim for.

I'm still torn as a citizen on what degree of defense/offense strategy is best as the police cannot protect us in a timely manner and we do have to be prepared to defend our family and home without assistance.

Just a month ago and several weeks after the San Bernardino Terrorist shootings we had an incident at my work with a customer making a bill payment and things did not go well. The angry citizen apparently threatened to get a bomb and return, the security guards had no weapons to deter or repel this person who did actually return, and when the police where called they said their ETA was 2 hours due to another incident they were dealing with.

So ultimately we are all on our own for defense and even terror threats. Sobbering!

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by jb92563

I guess maybe its just my perception then, plus if police decide to shoot, they will likely hit what they are aiming for and I assume its the upper torso and will keep shooting till the threat is subdued? (Mortally wounded due to good aim=dead?).

When I hear people say this I think about two recent shooting shootings in NYC, one in Herald Square and another in Times Square more recently where the NYPD ended up shooting more bystanders than suspects. Even those trained week in and week out to deal with a pressure situation can't hit a moving target when the adrenaline is pumping.

[Crib]

Be it that i'm from a country with quite strict gun laws, but I must admit I find it a bit scary to think of the situation where practically everyone has one or several guns and where also the "normal" people needs to be prepared to use it should such a situation be forced upon you. That thought tastes like pure **************** to me..

It must mean that the threshold of getting your hands on a gun is lowered to the ordinary junkie. I mean the criminals will get their hands on weapons either way but I can't help to think that they will be more likely to be used in a more planned way such as a heist or "internal" gang fights etc with less regular folks being involved.

It's not paradise over here, not at all. We have daily murders around the country and a school massacre attempt a while ago, but I still dont feel the immediate and surrounding danger that I sense when reading your comments.

Maybe I'm overreading this and as I said, It's different everywhere and ones viewpoint is of course strongly affected by that.

Edit: Forgot what I meant to start with: My deepest sympathies to OP for being victim to this!

[Chuck W.]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

When I hear people say this I think about two recent shooting shootings in NYC, one in Herald Square and another in Times Square more recently where the NYPD ended up shooting more bystanders than suspects. Even those trained week in and week out to deal with a pressure situation can't hit a moving target when the adrenaline is pumping.

So true. Police Officers are well trained and have a 15-25 percent hit probability in street encounters when they fire their guns. It is one thing to shoot a paper target in a sterile environment. It is another to have an armed suspect firing at you and returning fire.