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Timco 10-20-2015 09:04 PM

Yeah, my AC tools and gauges fit perfect but it's not Schroeder. It's a similar stem type. He just needs to know yes or no.

jeeper31 10-22-2015 07:16 PM

Update:

No codes.
No fuel out of rail when ignition is on.
Strange buzzing coming from motor while ignition is on.

Any ideas? I have a video of buzzing if anybody needs to hear it.

Steve Tinker 10-22-2015 11:01 PM

Under normal conditions, the fuel pump will start only for a couple of seconds when the ignition is first switched on - this pressurises the system ready for startup. If you are hearing the fuel pump run continually with just the ignition on (engine not running) then you have a faulty pump.

jeeper31 10-23-2015 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Tinker (Post 470757)
Under normal conditions, the fuel pump will start only for a couple of seconds when the ignition is first switched on - this pressurises the system ready for startup. If you are hearing the fuel pump run continually with just the ignition on (engine not running) then you have a faulty pump.

But if the pump was running continuously wouldn't there still be pressure in the rail?

Timco 10-23-2015 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeeper31 (Post 470766)
But if the pump was running continuously wouldn't there still be pressure in the rail?

Yes, and he is right about the pressure in the rail. Make a jumper to jump out the slots where the fuel pump relay sits. Then it stays on. That's how I checked my dead FP.

The buzzing and clicking and whining is SAI, and the throttle self adjusting.

jeeper31 10-23-2015 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timco (Post 470771)
Yes, and he is right about the pressure in the rail. Make a jumper to jump out the slots where the fuel pump relay sits. Then it stays on. That's how I checked my dead FP.

The buzzing and clicking and whining is SAI, and the throttle self adjusting.

Sorry. Confused. Who is right about the rail. I know the relay is good as I just out a new one in. What does jumping it do? What am I looking for?

SAI?

Thanks

jcslocum 10-23-2015 05:45 AM

The relay only works when the engine is cranking or running. That is why you need to jump it to get it to work for diagnosis purposes. You can't just throw parts at this problem. You really need to work at it step by step and prove each part good or bad.

Jump the relay and see if you get fire and or hear the pump running.

There is also the crank sensor to check to see if that is giving a signal to drive the pump and spark.

That can be tested with a volt/ohm meter. Have you got a good one???

Gilles 10-23-2015 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcslocum (Post 470785)

There is also the crank sensor to check to see if that is giving a signal to drive the pump and spark.

That can be tested with a volt/ohm meter. Have you got a good one???

A bad crank sensor also would keep the fuel pump from getting power…

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Timco 10-23-2015 06:05 AM

We are all kinda right.

You need to jump the terminals or slots where the relay plugs in to get constant FP power. Then you can check the rail pressure thing.

SAI is secondary air injection. It's a pump that runs for a minute or less on cold startup.

CPS (crank position sensor) is passenger side and views slots on the flywheel. Typically your tach does not move when cranked if this is bad.

jeeper31 10-23-2015 06:36 AM

So pardon my denseness. Learning as I go along.

I am going to jump the FP relay to see if the fuel pump stays on. If it does I will check the rail for pressure. If no pressure the FP is bad. If there is pressure it could be the CPS? Check that with Voltmeter or if cranking the engine and tack moves it is good?

Really sorry again. Trying to piece this all together.

Appreciate the help.

jcslocum 10-23-2015 07:13 AM

Ok you are getting there!!

Yes, get FP to run and you can usually hear it once jumped. If you hear nothing then we will know how to give better guidance.

If it's running, then I think you can almost jump directly to the crank position sensor.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...ps2vl05ifu.jpg

The blue arrow is the actual working part of the sensor and the RED arrow is the plug to the wiring harness. I'm not certain that you can get to the plug from up top. I will look for an ohm meter reading for you.

More info:

http://986forum.com/forums/performance-technical-chat/46610-hard-starting.html

jeeper31 10-28-2015 04:50 AM

Ok. Sorry been gone so long. Haven't had time to check anything out. Anyway, as I was leaving this morning I tried to start the Boxster and as it was cranking the Tach didn't move at all. Does that mean it's the Crank position sensor? If so do I need to check anything else out or just replace it?

Thanks.

jcslocum 10-28-2015 06:45 AM

It's about a 100$ part and if you can get under the car easily it is just 1 screw to remove it and then the plug. SO if you want to throw a prat at it, Parts Geek has them for $95:

1999-2002 Porsche 911 Reference Sensor - Bosch 0261210204 - - PartsGeek.com

Gelbster 10-28-2015 07:21 AM

Check for bent 'teeth'.If the CPS 'sees' a bent tooth ,it gets confused.

jeeper31 10-28-2015 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcslocum (Post 471424)
It's about a 100$ part and if you can get under the car easily it is just 1 screw to remove it and then the plug. SO if you want to throw a prat at it, Parts Geek has them for $95:

1999-2002 Porsche 911 Reference Sensor - Bosch 0261210204 - - PartsGeek.com

Not really looking to just throw parts at it, especially if its something else. I could be wrong but I don't think a bad crank sensor would cause no pressure in the fuel rail.

Unless that tach not moving is a definite sign that the crank sensor is bad.

Gelbster 10-28-2015 11:06 AM

"Unless that tach not moving is a definite sign that the crank sensor is bad. "
Classic CPS failure symptom.
Heat cycling causes failure so it is a good PM choice to replace.
Then move on to fuel issues.

jeeper31 10-28-2015 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gelbster (Post 471454)
"Unless that tach not moving is a definite sign that the crank sensor is bad. "
Classic CPS failure symptom.
Heat cycling causes failure so it is a good PM choice to replace.
Then move on to fuel issues.

So there seems to be two different issues?

PM? (Sorry)

Gelbster 10-28-2015 11:18 AM

PM = Preventative Maintenance.
Keeping up with an M96 has to be a religion.
Pay homage with parts ,study and time. Shed blood and tears.
Ignore this at your peril.
Hell has no wrath nor expen$e like a badly maintained M96.

jcslocum 10-28-2015 11:28 AM

I "think" the CPS is what turns on the fuel pump for starting. It's a complicated sequence and dance performed by the computer, a number of things have to fall in place for there to be fire.

jeeper31 11-01-2015 04:40 AM

So here is where I am.

Jumped the relay and still no pressure at the rail. Used multimeter to test to see if getting power at terminal 30 and I am getting 11.67 V at the terminal. So I am assuming the pump is bad since it is getting power and not working. Am I correct?


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