Taing it to the next level- 3.6 engine build

[Van914]

i'm so jealous!

[Thumper]

Been watching this thread closely. It all sounds fantastic!

[ltusler]

Don't worry about being behind a rev or two on Jake's list, you can't keep up, and you are already at the sharp end of a very pointy stick in a small group of people willing to step up and see the light, then watch most other cars disappear in the rear view mirror.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by ltusler

Don't worry about being behind a rev or two on Jake's list, you can't keep up, and you are already at the sharp end of a very pointy stick in a small group of people willing to step up and see the light, then watch most other cars disappear in the rear view mirror.

I'm not worried that's why I ended with the smiley face. Jake is like the computer industry constantly changing and evolving. I see by your signature line you have some Raby magic in your car.

[goldsc_78258]

Like most people I'm curious on numbers (dyno) that is
Some threads are worthless with out pictures, well this thread is worthless with out numbers 😊😊😊

[Jake Raby]

The time will come when we have numbers from the dyno. The dyno will not show the major attributes of this engine. I have 3 dynos in house and the first thing you learn the hard way is the dyno is not the be all, end all judge of performance.

The guys that think that it is, are the easiest ones to beat. They beat themselves.

[10/10ths]

....What you want is an AGM battery.

Absorbed Glass Mat.

More power, can deep cycle, and does not require an exotic charger.

I installed this one in my Boxster:

NSB-AGM94R (L4) Battery****| NorthStar Battery

So far, I love it.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by 10/10ths

....What you want is an AGM battery.

Absorbed Glass Mat.

More power, can deep cycle, and does not require an exotic charger.

I installed this one in my Boxster:

NSB-AGM94R (L4) Battery****| NorthStar Battery

So far, I love it.

Did this battery fit the battery tray without modifications ? Did you purchase online or locally ? Thanks for the link .

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Did this battery fit the battery tray without modifications ? Did you purchase online or locally ? Thanks for the link .

+1 on AGM batteries. This is the one I put in my 2003 Boxster 3 years ago and it's great, and yes, it's a direct replacement and fits perfectly. I just disconnect the negative terminal and I can leave it for months without a trickle charger, and it doesn't discharge much at all. I left it for 1 month in December when it was -20° F for several nights in a row, and without a trickle charger it still had 12.8 V when I got home. Of course, be sure not to latch the hood (I remove the catch, two 10 mm head bolts, so it can't latch).

Exide Edge FP-AGML4/94R Automotive Battery - Battery Service Corporation

[liqtor]

I'd love to build something like this with 1bar of boost on it! Any plans to go turbo on the next one?

[goldsc_78258]

Yep, it is like saying money can't buy happiness but it sure helps

I understand a dyno is used to tune the engine on a controlled environment , and that it won't show some of the engine attributes like acceleration, driveability etc... But it sure helps

Btw no need for aggressiveness I have no idea what asking for dyno numbers has anything to do with anybody getting beat or beating themselves.
Tell me if dynos don't tell all why would you own 3

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by goldsc_78258

Yep, it is like saying money can't buy happiness but it sure helps

I understand a dyno is used to tune the engine on a controlled environment , and that it won't show some of the engine attributes like acceleration, driveability etc... But it sure helps

Btw no need for aggressiveness I have no idea what asking for dyno numbers has anything to do with anybody getting beat or beating themselves.
Tell me if dynos don't tell all why would you own 3

The dyno has its place. The issue is most people have no idea how to read, or comprehend a dyno plot. When I hand a graph to someone and I watch their eyes go straight to peak power output, I shake my head and generally become disgusted immediately.

When my wife was Land Speed Racing her 996 the dyno kept her away from 3 records on two different occasions. I made changes to the car that I knew made it faster from the way it drove, and responded. The car LOST 6 HP at peak with these settings, but she smashed all those records in one weekend after that was done. They all still stand today.

I make more average power as an overall goal. Its really easy to make peak numbers, but increasing power at every RPM point is not a simple task.

Retaining drivability, longevity, reliability, and fuel economy while making more power is the big challenge. Rick will find that his MPG has increased by at least 3-4 MPG as long as he can keep his foot out of it, I have had some of these increase more than that.

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

The dyno has its place. The issue is most people have no idea how to read, or comprehend a dyno plot. When I hand a graph to someone and I watch their eyes go straight to peak power output, I shake my head and generally become disgusted immediately.

When my wife was Land Speed Racing her 996 the dyno kept her away from 3 records on two different occasions. I made changes to the car that I knew made it faster from the way it drove, and responded. The car LOST 6 HP at peak with these settings, but she smashed all those records in one weekend after that was done. They all still stand today.

I make more average power as an overall goal. Its really easy to make peak numbers, but increasing power at every RPM point is not a simple task.

Retaining drivability, longevity, reliability, and fuel economy while making more power is the big challenge. Rick will find that his MPG has increased by at least 3-4 MPG as long as he can keep his foot out of it, I have had some of these increase more than that.

When Jake and I first started talking about engine builds he was very up front that the engine would make great power but would be very drivable. This car is not my daily driver however I want it to be civil enough to be so if need be. I did not want to sacrifice daily driving comfort for peak horsepower just for bragging rights. To be honest I am just as curious to see the dyno figures as anyone else but I'm more curious to see the torque figures and at what rpm's . My butt dyno tells me the torque curve will have a nice linear curve because it is very strong from idle right up to 7000 rpm's that's as high as I have spun her being new. I'm also not planning on spinning her much past 7k anyway there just is no reason to do so. When I say she's a beast that is not to imply hard to drive or finicky she's a beast because of the power curve idle on up. Plus that exhaust sound ! In regards to Jakes comment about mpg's I don't see how I'll be able to keep my foot out of it

[10/10ths]

....Yes, this battery is a direct replacement for the OEM battery.

Plug and play.

Easy as pie.

I bought it from the factory directly from this web page:

NSB-AGM94R (L4) Battery****| NorthStar Battery

Highly recommended.

[Jake Raby]

When I say she's a beast that is not to imply hard to drive or finicky she's a beast because of the power curve idle on up

You are experiencing the all around higher average HP and Torque that I spoke about earlier in this thread.

To gain this takes more than bolting parts on, we have to machine them into submission, and set things up in a particular fashion. I can easily dial the lobe separation of those cams in differently, and radically effect the power band and torque curve without changing the first part.

Thats the difference between something thats truly developed, and "built", rather than something thats just bolted together.

I prefer "built" over "bought" any day.

[rfuerst911sc]

Joe B. funny you posted that link I was just looking at that exact same battery on Amazon but it was a little more money on Amazon. So thanks for the post !

[rfuerst911sc]

I found a agm battery locally. Advance auto in house h7 agm with 1000 ca and 850 cca. They have an order online 15 % off discount with store pickup. After core refund out the door price 183.99 . I will pick it up tomorrow. Should be enough power to crank up the beast.

[dghii]

Advance has better deals than 15% off, although that may be what yours ended up with given how expensive the battery is.


Currently have $40 off $100 online TRT41

[rfuerst911sc]

Oh well I have purchased the battery and will pick it up today. I had a online chat with a Advance Auto rep and asked who makes their batteries. Was told they are made by GNB or Johnson Controls. I can't friggen believe it since I have picked up the beast it has rained every day and last night it snowed !!! Tomorrow it is supposed to be sunny and near 50 so some miles will be added to the beast.

[911monty]

How about a sound clip for a pre and post tune comparison? I'm sure a lot of peeps would like to hear the beasts growl???