Slow drivers move over- Hooray Indiana

[KRAM36]

Originally Posted by nimblemotorsports

Cheese and Rice! No wonder Cali has such strict emission laws.

Funny, yesterday I was just looking at Los Angeles to see how much they had cut down on the smog.

Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences :: Los Angeles air pollution declining, losing its sting

[Joe B]

My pet highway peeves too! It's not rocket science to tell if someone is faster than you: they caught up with you! I think it being illegal to pass on the right in the USA is a misconception. I don't think it's illegal to pass on the right anywhere there are 2 or more lanes. My understanding is that it can be illegal to pass on the right on a 2 lane road when you have to go onto the shoulder (unless the car in front is stopped to make a left turn).

The California DMV claims that passing on the right is legal "Upon a highway within a business or residence district with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in the direction of travel."

Washington State:
(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:

(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(b) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.

(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

I agree that bike riders can be road a** holes. It's not a question of the wheels still moving a little, they often don't even slow down at stop signs or stoplights. It makes me nuts when they ride on sidewalks and then expect you to stop for them at a cross"walk" so they can ride their bike across! And no, I'm not a bike-hater; I rode mountain and road bikes for 20 years and raced for 10.

I saw a funny sight on I-15 in southern Utah once. Someone went by me in the left lane at 80 mph (speed limit; I was slower due to hauling my boat) and a cop pulled on and got behind him. The cop tailgated him for a mile or 2, and finally, when the guy wouldn't pull into the right lane, the cop pulled him over. Yay :dance:!!!

P.S. When you California people want to gloat about driving with the top down next January because the rest of us are complaining about the snow and cold, remember those freeway pictures nimblemotorsports posted, not to mention your water situation ! And no, I'm not a California hater. My sister lives there and I visit often. It's an amazing place, it's just that too many people want to live there (40,000,000!).

Feels good to vent !

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Joe B

It makes me nuts when they ride on sidewalks and then expect you to stop for them at a cross"walk" so they can ride their bike across!

Wait... so a kid on his bike has to yield to you even when you have the stop sign? Where does it say that he should walk his bike through the cross walk?
I think generally a cross walk has a stop sign which makes it pretty cut and dry what the expectation of driver is. You have to FULL stop for any cars, bikes, skateboards, runners, wheel chairs, dogs, goats, geese, old lady, troubled teen, and anything in between. Even if any of those are barred from the side walk by local ordinance your stop sign still means you only proceed when the cross walk is 100% clear.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I saw a driver run the stop sign at a crosswalk and only (roll) stop at the edge of the intersection (when most of the car was past the cross walk line) never once actually looking to the their right before making the right turn... while holding a cell phone.

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Wait... so a kid on his bike has to yield to you even when you have the stop sign? Where does it say that he should walk his bike through the cross walk?

Well duh , of course I stop at stop signs. I never said anything about crosswalks when I have a stop sign. Bicycles here are subject to the same laws as cars. We have crosswalks at every main intersection, whether there is a stop sign or not. Most of the bike riders here are adults, not kids (what difference does it make how old they are), and regardless of their age, they are not supposed to ride down the sidewalk from a cross street, (they are not supposed to ride on sidewalks, which are for pedestrians, at all) through a stop sign that they have, and into the crosswalk, expecting cars to stop for them because they are in a crosswalk, as if they were pedestrians! I always stop for pedestrians in, or waiting to use, a crosswalk even if I have no stop sign. Besides being courteous, it's the law here.

[Perfectlap]

Main intersections without either a stop sign or traffic light at the cross walk?
Yet there are local ordinances specifically prohibiting bikes from using the cross walk?

I can see why you and bike riders are not on the same page. The cyclists are probably looking for the cover of at least the cross walk in the absence of light or stop sign, still against the ordinance however.

[Joe B]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Main intersections without either a stop sign or traffic light at the cross walk?
Yet there are local ordinances specifically prohibiting bikes from using the cross walk?

I can see why you and bike riders are not on the same page. The cyclists are probably looking for the cover of at least the cross walk in the absence of light or stop sign, still against the ordinance however.

No, I don't think you are understanding the issue. The cross streets have stop signs, and crosswalks across the main street. We drivers on the main street (no stop sign) have to yield to pedestrians who are in the crosswalks (of course), or who are standing at the curb waiting to use them. The problem is, some bicyclists (not kids, they usually have more sense) come from riding on the sidewalks on the cross streets and ride right into the crosswalks, expecting the car drivers on the main streets to yield to them, as if they were pedestrians (I still try not to hit them, it could ruin my day ). Sorry, I can't explain it any better than that !