986 S vs. WRX Sti - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

denverpete · 03-17-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by KRZTACO

Note* I do not approve any type of street racing. Furthermore the Boxster S is not designed to be a drag racing car*

F@&K that....A WRX wanted to play, so I was like, "Alright, but I'll smoke you" on the drive into work on the freeway this morning.
KRZ

And yet, there you were on the freeway, in the morning, reaching 120 MPH? What in the world gives you the right to risk everyone's life simply because a "WRX wanted to play"?

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Originally Posted by KRZTACO

Pretty cool that I could keep pace with something at least 70HP more than me.
KRZ

No, it's really not cool. Seriously.....

KRZTACO · 03-17-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by denverpete

No, it's really not cool. Seriously.....

Relax, it's casual Friday, and I did put my disclaimer. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

This is a board to share experiences and information. I do understand Grand Master Bruce Lee does not condone street racing. Therefore I do not condone street racing. But then again Porsche doesn't like street racing, however my speedo goes to 165???

KRZ

Perfectlap · 03-17-2006, 09:59 AM

don't know about that 1/4 mile racing
but The STI is no joke in the turns. Chews up the 996 911, 993 and BoxsterS in my Autocross class and spitz them out in little bite size morsels. A modded exhaust on that car is LOUD and MEAN. Engine is bullet proof (unlike the mitsu EVO's).

Great car and price, too bad its got boy racer looks.

l8braker · 03-17-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Chews up the 996 911, 993 and BoxsterS in my Autocross class and spitz them out in little bite size morsels.

That is hilarious! In our autocross group a boxster S whips everyone. 3 different driver in the same car all set fast time one being fastet of the day. This is with 10-15 sub's in the group. This isn't my car either just some guys I've watched.

Here is a link to the results...... this was a few years ago but still. Scroll all the way down to the bottom fist in SS class.
http://www.highlandssportscarclub.com/old_site/00belechere.htm

Carl AMG · 03-17-2006, 10:25 AM

The power on a modded WRX (2.0L) or STi (2.5L)could be widely varied depending on what has been done to the car. My 2.0L WRX engine is modified with turboback exhaust, UTEC chip, bigger top mount intercooler and a cold air intake. I make around 250hp to the wheels with the stock turbo on 93 octane pump gas. The 2.5L should do that or better than that with a exhaust and intake.

From a pure power perspective I give the Suby the edge. Handling I would give the Boxster the edge. I have quite a few handling modifications but my 987S's handling is in a different league.

mjw930 · 03-17-2006, 10:31 AM

I didn't see an WRX STi listed as competition in those results.

The STi is a beast, we had one at the last auto cross driven by an SCCA Solo National finalist and it was 3 seconds faster than the fastest Boxster S and 1.5 seconds faster than a fully prepped 944S on race tires driven by another national finalist.

That same STi driver took out the stock class 987S winner's car and pretty much matched it's winning time (still 3 seconds slower then the STi).

BTW, the STi was driven from the dealership to the track, it had less than 200 miles on it.

Now, when you figure in the PAX handicap a 986S ended up the class winner and was within .15 seconds (adjusted) of the STi.

If they weren't so butt ugly I might consider one...... Nah, just sooped up rice

l8braker · 03-17-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mjw930

I didn't see an WRX STi listed as competition in those results.

Yeah and according to them it is a stock Boxster not an S.......they don't have enough room to list it all.

KRZTACO · 03-17-2006, 10:55 AM

In my past AutoX (results have been taken down), I did beat a Mitsubishi EVO. The course was really tight, it even included a 180 turn. The EVO just couldn't boost the whole time, too much lag. Should the course been a little straighter then he could have made better times.

KRZ

MNBoxster · 03-17-2006, 11:06 AM

Hi,

The WRX is a serious contender no doubt, but at it's heart, it is still a Sedan. It may go Fast, even Faster, but, IMHO, it lacks the type of visceral response you get from a proper Sports Car.

If all you want is Fast, then there is lots of competition, but that's excluding the Total Package which the Boxster, among others, offers.

So far as Auto-X results, there are so many variables such as course layout, track surface, ambient temperatures, tire/brake condition, and of course, the driver, that direct comparisons are difficult.

Also, Auto-X is much more of a individual test than a field competition despite compiling and comparing times. I don't Auto-X to beat the other guys, I Auto-X to improve my Times and Driving (read smoothness) on each run - the never-ending search for the Perfect Run. How it all shakes out in the end is of secondary importance. But that said, I expect that the Subi will hold it's own among the field with even a minimally competent driver, the Car itself can make up for a lot of sins.

For me, the question becomes: Which do I want to drive home at the end of the day? And in this, the Boxster wins hands down...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

l8braker · 03-17-2006, 10:02 AM

If you were to race in the proper enviro of course haha

0-60 he'd jump a little, but after 60 you should pull on him and keep on going by him.

Also if you were in 5th at 120 you were in the wrong gear. 4th goes into the 120's. 3rd will take you to 102-103.

My car is dead even with a 355......that has 385 crank bhp so I can keep up with a car that has 135 more crank bhp. S2000, S4, m3(e36) can pull away from them all. 91 corvette with 300bhp bout even same with 350z 287bhp. Every car is different, but I'm very very impressed with the 250hp Boxster S.

Dr. Kill · 03-21-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by denverpete

And yet, there you were on the freeway, in the morning, reaching 120 MPH? What in the world gives you the right to risk everyone's life simply because a "WRX wanted to play"?

No, it's really not cool. Seriously.....

Uh, this is a sensitive topic so i don't want to say the wrong thing here, but we really didn't get enough information to slam this guy.

Believe me, I am the first one to get pissed off when some a-hole whips by me in traffic causing a danger to the rest of us.

But I am also one of the first guys to drop the hammer when there is no one else on the road. If there is no one else on the road to run into, I don't see what the problem is. He said it was early, and not knowing the part of the road they were on, maybe they weren't posing a danger to anyone but themselves...

120 seems excessive to me, but on a desert road all by my lonesome I hit 110 and felt it was quite sustainable with this equipment. I got up to 170 once in a Viper on the Autobahn in light traffic in the rain, but that is a different story.

BuffaloBoxster · 03-22-2006, 05:05 AM

A lot of you guys are snobs.. Those of us who are actual performance car enthusiasts know these cars are the real deal.

insite · 03-22-2006, 07:59 AM

any thoughts on whether the serious understeer + AWD on an STi help more in AutoX (unfamiliar course) than they would on a well known track?

also, i agree w/ turtle. our last track day, someone bought an STi (tweaked out a bit). he was the only guy that passed me that day (we had C5's, a 930, Lancer Evo, etc.). those cars are VERY, VERY fast. interesting thing though was that by 11AM, the STi's and the Evo were broken. the Evo broke after < 30min on the track.

KRZTACO · 03-22-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by insite

any thoughts on whether the serious understeer + AWD on an STi help more in AutoX (unfamiliar course) than they would on a well known track?

At an AutoX a few months ago, the EVO didn't do so well, in fact my STOCK 986 S had a better time by 1.25 seconds. The problem with the EVO (and most likely the STi) is on the track we were running, had some REALLY tight turns (180 degree turns) and it took way too long for the Turbo to spool up. Perhaps if the course was a "Faster" course then he probably would have beat me.

KRZ

turtle · 03-22-2006, 08:55 PM

Watch the agility stages in the Rallies - you will see them toss a car like nothing. If you have the skill, and want to buy the tires, nothing is faster through the tight and twisties than those two cars. It's on command under/oversteer, brutal acceleration combined with all the grip out of the corner the world has to offer. Then it falls down and goes boom. It'll get back up $10k later(good luck on that warranty when they pull your code history and you've been racing). For a little while anyways. Next thing you know, you've got the money in it that would buy the 911 you're trying so hard to beat.