IMS settlement follow up

[mountainman]

Has anyone who filed for the IMS settlement received any follow up info from either Porsche or the lawyers. I sent in my paperwork and documentation about 6 weeks ago and have not received even an acknowledgement that they received it. Guess it is too much trouble for them to communicate with the common folk.

[recycledsixtie]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Has anyone who filed for the IMS settlement received any follow up info from either Porsche or the lawyers. I sent in my paperwork and documentation about 6 weeks ago and have not received even an acknowledgement that they received it. Guess it is too much trouble for them to communicate with the common folk.

I received a negative response from the IMS lawyers within 24 hours of sending it.At least they acknowledged me right away. My 2001 Box was outside the 10 year start of service but was in the Class so no past or future compensation. My ims though is still good. I can look up in my emails to see if there is a ph. no. Will get back to you.
G.

[recycledsixtie]

Originally Posted by mountainman

Has anyone who filed for the IMS settlement received any follow up info from either Porsche or the lawyers. I sent in my paperwork and documentation about 6 weeks ago and have not received even an acknowledgement that they received it. Guess it is too much trouble for them to communicate with the common folk.

I have sent you a pm....

[thom4782]

The settlement, as I understand it, is a 'proposed' settlement and not yet final. People have until October 15 IIRC to object to it or exclude themselves from it. Then court will then decide what to do after that. It may give final approval or do something else. So I'd be interested in what folks, who have submitted a claim already, have heard so far.

[recycledsixtie]

I inquired about the ims failure lawsuit even though I was told that I was not eligible because my Box is a 2001(outside of the 10 years in service). I am not a lawyer nor will ever be but what about future ims fails of those Boxsters that will be within the ten years of being in service? The way I see it is that you have nothing to lose by "registering" with these lawyers. See the email address for the lawyers involved under search.

[evo-r]

Mine is over 10 years old as well and I'm planning to op-out of this settlement... Any benefit to include myself in this settlement (in case they change the settlement criteria)?

[soucorp]

Does anyone know what the IMS failure rate is for this 01 -05 Boxster/911 series?
From 2001 to 2005, Porsche sold 39,633 Boxsters and a whopping 51,375 Porsche 911 models (including rarer and unattached-to-this-suit GT2s, GT3s and Turbos).

Be good to know some stats as to % of failures and if its high mileage cars with lots of wear and tear vs. the luck of the draw bearing can go at any point scenario?

This sounds like the Toyota acceleration scare a few years ago, turned out to be more hype with a few incidents than the majority of the cars.

To me, the facts are everything and BS is worthless. Why isn't there a recall on this by the NHTSA.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130918/CARNEWS/130919830?utm_source=DailyDrive20130918&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article2&utm_content=20130918-Porsche-whiffs-on-customer-care&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

[recycledsixtie]

[QUOTE=soucorp;363816]Does anyone know what the IMS failure rate is for this 01 -05 Boxster/911 series?
From 2001 to 2005, Porsche sold 39,633 Boxsters and a whopping 51,375 Porsche 911 models (including rarer and unattached-to-this-suit GT2s, GT3s and Turbos).

Be good to know some stats as to % of failures and if its high mileage cars with lots of wear and tear vs. the luck of the draw bearing can go at any point scenario?

Try the search for Boxster failure rate of ims.....

[j911brick]

Originally Posted by soucorp

Does anyone know what the IMS failure rate is for this 01 -05 Boxster/911 series?
From 2001 to 2005, Porsche sold 39,633 Boxsters and a whopping 51,375 Porsche 911 models (including rarer and unattached-to-this-suit GT2s, GT3s and Turbos).

Be good to know some stats as to % of failures and if its high mileage cars with lots of wear and tear vs. the luck of the draw bearing can go at any point scenario?

This sounds like the Toyota acceleration scare a few years ago, turned out to be more hype with a few incidents than the majority of the cars.

To me, the facts are everything and BS is worthless. Why isn't there a recall on this by the NHTSA.

Porsche class action suit, Autoweek column - Autoweek

I think I recall reading that only about 20% of cars are effected by failure, and it tends to be more the low mileage, seldom driven cars.

[southernstar]

The failure rate, based upon statistics obtained by the plaintiffs in the class-action suit, was much less than 1% for cars with a dual-row IMS bearing and 8-10% for those with the single-row bearing. It should be noted that this is an underestimate as it is based upon failures reported to Porsche (either because the car was brought into a dealership after failure, or because after diagnosis a claim for warranty/extended warranty/post warranty coverage was made to Porsche. It stands to reason that certain people who suffered a failure after the expiry of the warranty didn't even bother to contact Porsche and hence would not be included in the failure rate percentages.

Brad

[Homeboy981]

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[Perfectlap]

^ I thought Pedro was a cartoon!

[thom4782]

I may not have this precisely correct, but this is my understanding.

The settlement would pay all or some of the costs that owners incurred when repairing IMS caused damage to their Boxster engines. The damage must have taken place within 10 years of the car's in-service date. For example, suppose your Boxster was placed in service on January 1, 2001. You may be reimbursed for IMS related damage if that damage occurred before the end of 2010. If it happened after that, your out of luck. And there is no money for those who took preventative steps like installing an IMS Retrofit.

If you had IMS damage and qualify for some payment, your best bet in my opinion is to file a claim. If you don't qualify, then your best bet is to send a letter to the court objecting to the settlement in the hope of more favorable terms from a revised settlement. If you just opt out, then your in the position of having to sue Porsche on your own because there will not be a second class action suit allowed.

[soucorp]

Originally Posted by thom4782

I may not have this precisely correct, but this is my understanding.

The settlement would pay all or some of the costs that owners incurred when repairing IMS caused damage to their Boxster engines. The damage must have taken place within 10 years of the car's in-service date. For example, suppose your Boxster was placed in service on January 1, 2001. You may be reimbursed for IMS related damage if that damage occurred before the end of 2010. If it happened after that, your out of luck. And there is no money for those who took preventative steps like installing an IMS Retrofit.

If you had IMS damage and qualify for some payment, your best bet in my opinion is to file a claim. If you don't qualify, then your best bet is to send a letter to the court objecting to the settlement in the hope of more favorable terms from a revised settlement. If you just opt out, then your in the position of having to sue Porsche on your own because there will not be a second class action suit allowed.

What I want to know is why are they only agreeing to pay after the engine is effed up! Why isn't this treated like a safety recall by the GOV to make them replace the defect put in place by a bean counter to reduce cost. The way Porsche went about handling it is ridiculous and is hurting the brand Big Time.

just my $.02, I love my car still... just heart broken and venting and now I have to pay for a preventive service out of my own pocket for piece of mind that my car could be in the 1%-10% failure rate.

[haz]

He said they change from double to single row in 99:
Mine is a 2000 (and just almost failed), it is a double row bearing.

So his logic isn't 100% correct, when he states that engines started failed right after they went from double to single bearing....

[tonycarreon]

Originally Posted by haz

He said they change from double to single row in 99:
Mine is a 2000 (and just almost failed), it is a double row bearing.

So his logic isn't 100% correct, when he states that engines started failed right after they went from double to single bearing....

in 2000, porsche started using the single row. not every engine had a single row until 2002 MY, so it's possible that 2 cars of the same MY (2000, 2001) have different bearings.

he also said that there were more failures from single row than double row, which i think has been shown to be true from others who have worked on this. doesn't mean the double row doesn't fail, just that the single row fails more often.

remember, statistics don't matter to the individual.

[ppbon]

Originally Posted by haz

He said they change from double to single row in 99:
Mine is a 2000 (and just almost failed), it is a double row bearing.

So his logic isn't 100% correct, when he states that engines started failed right after they went from double to single bearing....

Porsche started the change of the IMS bearings in the (calendar) year 1999 which is (model) year 2000. The first part of the MY2000 production run included dual row bearings, which is your particular case.
happy Boxstering,
Pedro

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by haz

He said they change from double to single row in 99:
Mine is a 2000 (and just almost failed), it is a double row bearing.

So his logic isn't 100% correct, when he states that engines started failed right after they went from double to single bearing....

Haz, approximately how many oil changes did your double row bearing car have up until the failure began? As you shared with us your double row bearing went nearly 2 1/2 years without an oil change. Somehow I don't think the previous owner(s) were good at critical engine maintenance. Do you have the most recent coolant cap? was the coolant tank and water pump ever replaced?

I think the logic is spot on. Typically lawyers will not chop off a whole big group of possible class action members (more $$$$$) unless the documents they reviewed show that the number of cars that Porsche had to fix as part of their engine replacement program differ greatly from the class action members with only single row bearings. The documents given to them by Porsche via subpoena must have confirmed that there was a big jump in repairs needed once single row bearings were used. If the documents showed the opposite that there were just as many, they would have expanded the pool of plaintiffs or filed a separate complaint for dual row cars.

[thom4782]

Originally Posted by soucorp

Why isn't this treated like a safety recall by the GOV to make them replace the defect put in place by a bean counter to reduce cost.

Answer is simple - recalls occur when cars fail to comply with federal motor vehicle safety standards or have other safety related problems. IMS failures are considered mechanical problems not safety related problems.

[soucorp]

Originally Posted by thom4782

Answer is simple - recalls occur when cars fail to comply with federal motor vehicle safety standards or have other safety related problems. IMS failures are considered mechanical problems not safety related problems.

Thanks but I disagree. We should all call NHTSA and complain, they will force the issue to a recall. If my engine blew up from IMS failure at highway speeds, the car can lose control and cause a serious accident due to loss of power and I get nailed in the back by a semi. If this scenario is not a safety concern, I don't know what is???
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