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Old 01-08-2006, 04:30 PM   #1
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Why would someone willing risk a car with no floor on the price?

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I find reserves inhibit bidding. I never sell with a reserve. Then again, I've never tried to sell a car.
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:03 AM   #2
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When I listed my Miata i did so with no reserve. As a seller you have a certain amount of time to pull the auction. The only annoying part is all the bidders trying to go around ebay with side deals DURING the auction. That can become a pain when everyone is screeaming please sell me the car. I had one guy in South Florida promising to name his first kid after me if I sold it to him. One Kid in New Orleans called me months afterwards for the name of the new owner so he could make an offer to him. Ebay uncorks a world of enthusiasts for every car out there

As far as non-enthusiast cars I sold for friends, ebay was a last resorts to the trade in route. I had to urge them STRONGLY to let me try and sell it for them and in some instances I tripled the best offer they got from the old 4 sale sign and expensive newspaper ad.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:07 PM   #3
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I'm a little reluctant to publicly admit it, this being my first post and all, but I purchased my '02 986 S through eBay last August. And, yes, it was a no reserve auction for a car that had 54k miles, with no service records, that I had never seen in person, much less driven. Can you see this all going pear shaped, very quickly? I was nervous, to say the least, but had found a 2000 540i through eBay in 2003 so it wasn't unknown territory.

Here's the story, sorry if it's a little long: I was looking around for a car most of last summer. I wanted to either replace or augment my '99 Explorer with something that was a bit smaller, more enjoyable to drive and had better fuel economy. I looked at a number of new and used cars and stumbled on a used Boxster on a local Honda dealer's lot. Hmmm... I had always wanted a convertible, hadn't I? Sure. And a Porsche, too? Yes, indeed. Gears were beginning to turn but the dealer wanted more than I was willing to spend so I kept on looking at local dealers but no joy.

I started looking on eBay at the same time and found a number of candidates around the country. Most were at dealers and they either had "buy it now" prices that I thought were unrealistic, or the reserves weren't being met. After a little while, this clean-looking '02 triple black car turned up without a reserve. (A brief detour here to answer Brucelee's question -- seller's have no reserve auctions because there are people, like me, who have no intention of bidding on an item where the reserve is unknown. Also, my experience has been that no reserve auctions typically end at, and reflect, market prices. This seller seems to think along the same lines; he's sold other p-cars and high-end brands as low- or no reserve auctions.)

The car was a color I liked, had most of the options I wanted, and looked to be in fair shape so I watched. I called the seller several times and we discussed the car at length, including key problem areas I picked up from this site. I probably was on the phone for about two hours all told and the seller answered all of my questions. Not once did I get the impression that he was being anything other than honest and truthful about the condition of the car, even pointing out the problems. Yes, I know, that's how a really good salesman should be but so many of them come across like snake oil salesmen.

After speaking with the seller, I had a hunch that my local dealer might have sold the car initially. I stopped by to see if they could shed any light on the car's history. After waiting for 20+ minutes for the service manager to finally talk to me, I found out that he couldn't tell me if they were the selling dealership or only prepped the car for another dealer. He couldn't tell me what work they did on the car, only that they didn't do the routine service. This, despite, scrolling through some info on a terminal that obviously had *some* information. I wasn't impressed.

I also went to my insurance agent to find out what claims had been filed against the car. Combined with eBay's equivalent of CARFAX, I felt comfortable that the car wasn't involved in a major collision.

Anyway, the seller mentioned that another bidder had made an offer on the car but hadn't come through. I offered him about $1000 less than the first offer. He said he would talk it over with his business partner and get back to me. Later that day he called back to say we had a deal, but since it was so close to the auction's end that I needed to be the high bidder. "Don't worry," he said, "you'll get the car at the price we agreed on regardless of what the high bid is as long as you win the auction." No faxed paperwork, no written agreement, not even a handshake. But I bid, well above our verbal agreement, and won the auction. When it was all over, I called again and we worked out the details of the transaction. I sent a deposit the next day, along with money for new tires which he was going to replace at his cost, and worked out the travel arrangements.

A week after the auction ended, I jumped on a commuter flight to Buffalo and the seller picked me up at the airport. We went to look at the car and I must have spent another couple of hours going over everything I could think of. Everything was as it was described; the body was clean and straight, and showing some small stone chips and other marks that you'd expect on a car with 54k miles; the interior looked great; I couldn't find any glaring mechanical problems (it was over a mechanic's pit so I had plenty of time to look around underneath for mechanical problems and problems) and the new tires were mounted and balanced. I gave the seller the balance I owed him and drove the 400 miles back home. If it was a flea-ridden dog, it was now my flea-ridden dog.

Fortunately, it turned out not to be a flea-ridden mutt, but a pure-bred Porsche. There are some issues -- I'll be due for a 60k service this spring and new brakes not long after -- but these are the kinds of issues you find with any used car. Oh, I just found out that one wheel has a slight crack, but this may have happened recently with all the potholes around here. Otherwise, the car has been solid and reliable and I've had a blast putting nearly 4000 miles on the car in six months. Even considering these things, I still think I paid a fair price.

Would I do it again? Yes, I think so, but with a few differences. Even though I researched Boxsters before buying, I know a lot more after six months of ownership. I would probably look for a car with fewer miles (30-45k) and I would have have the final sale be contingent on a PPI. I would also insist on getting two keys. Maybe next time I'll look for a different color, too.

Used car salesman have a saying, "There is an ass for every seat." Well, this one seems pretty comfortable so far.




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CPlus, that's a nice looking 986S. Great photo too.
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Old 02-09-2006, 11:15 PM   #5
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cplus, I would never ever buy a Porsche sight unseen, as tempted as I was, you were very lucky indeed

I would always buy from a reputable dealer as Bruce, Porsche Dealer or an enthusiast and always with a PPI.

Hope it holds up well!!!
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cplus, I would never ever buy a Porsche sight unseen, as tempted as I was, you were very lucky indeed

I would always buy from a reputable dealer as Bruce, Porsche Dealer or an enthusiast and always with a PPI.

Hope it holds up well!!!

Thank you!

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Old 02-10-2006, 06:32 AM   #7
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Hi,

I found my Boxster online in St. Louis, but from a Broker's Site in Mar. '05. Fortunately for me, I have a very knowledgeable friend in the Area (President of Lotus LTD. - National Lotus Club) and he kindly agreed to check out the Car.

On his lunch hour, Mark visited the Car and called me on his cell right from the Brokerage. His first words were: "Jim, the Car's basically PERFECT, there's not a mark on it... if it turns out that you're not interested, I may pick it up for my wife..." Mark then arranged to have the Car PPI'd from the best Independent Porsche Mechanic in the Area, while I made my deal and did my due dilligence.

In my research, I found that the Car had been owned from new by the Sister-in-Law of the Owner of Isinghausen Porsche in Springfield, IL. It had been serviced there exclusively and stored there each winter. Because of a surplus of Used Cars at Isringhausen (limited Market), 25 had been moved to this Brokerage outside St. Louis. They Faxed me all Service Records and CarFax confirmed Mileage - 17k mi., and Certified the Car.

I made my deal with the Broker, wired a deposit, along with money to have all the fluids replaced by the Porsche Mechanic and bought a Plane Ticket to St. Louis.

Arrived in St. Louis at 9am, jumped the Light Rail across the River where the Broker picked me up. I looked the Car over, took a Test Drive, completed the Sale and paperwork, and was on the Road back to Mpls @ 10:45am, where I enjoyed a 9-hour return trip through the rolling Wisc. Countryside - 80 degrees, sun shining, Top Down...

Sounds too good to be true, but these Cars are out there. The amount of enjoyment and assurance of trouble-free driving are directly proportional to the amount of time and effort you put in up front.

Ebay sells a lot of good Cars, I've sold several there myself. But, also a lot of Dogs! Only Due Dilligence on your part can separate the two...

Happy Motoring!... Jim'99

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Old 02-10-2006, 03:16 AM   #8
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Great story. One of the longest posts I have ever read! Great photo, thanks for sharing with the forum. You have learned a lot the past 6 months...and had fun doing it! That's what life is made of!
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