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Old 05-15-2005, 05:23 PM   #1
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2005 Boxster S initial impressions

I've put 100 miles on the car now, so I thought I'd give some thoughts about it.

It's been a blast to drive--other than the fact that I look like I stole daddy's car, I'm not getting many stares--the update was very low-key so people are used to seeing Boxsters and I'm not attracting that much attention.

I'm used to driving cars that have been prepped for track use and my other car is a modified 1998 turbo Eclipse. Not comparable in any way to the Boxster, but that's my background for comparison. I've driven track-prepped RX-7s, Lancer Evos, and assorted DSMs.

Of course, I haven't had much of a chance to actually "drive" the car yet so my initial impressions are fairly cosmetic:

1. The turning radius is awesome.

2. The Bose stereo system is nice, although I don't think it's handling my Doobie Brothers or Frankie Valli very well--they sound rather hollow and washed out, too much mid-range emphasis. Norah Jones sounds spectacular, as does Beck.

3. I'm not hearing any rattle from the windstop as others have mentioned, although I can see reflections vibrate on it. I've only driven as fast as 70 MPH so far though.

4. I hear the whistle from the side mirror that others have mentioned.

5. The engine sounds better with the top up.

6. The top controls are a bit annoying. It's a one-touch up/down button IF the car is moving. If you do it when the car is not moving, you have to hold the control down for the entire operation. If you let go of the button, the top stops moving and the computer warns you that the top isn't fully closed or retracted. If you push the button while driving, it starts moving but then if you pull up to a stoplight, it stops.

Why? Why!? What use would I have for opening the top halfway? It should ALWAYS be a one-touch button. If I want to stop it midway, I should be able to push the rocker switch in the other direction to stop the motion.

7. You will want to buy the sport chrono package. The electronic throttle is a bit annoying--in standard mode, it feels like the pedal is just not fully responsive--the very first bit of travel feels like it's being ignored--the car hesitates. I don't get this feeling at all when I push the sport button--the throttle feels as it should.

Seeing as how you have to have the sport chrono package to get the sport button/remapped throttle, I highly recommend buying the package, even though the chrono's a pretty silly option. I wish they gave me the option to have some other, more useful gauge in that pod.

8. I have PASM, but I don't think you need it to enjoy this car, really. I mean, I love it but I know they drive very well even without it. If you can't afford PASM, at the very least get the Sport Chrono package--that's much more important!

9. The clutch engagement is too high. I'm hoping that maybe the dealership can do something about this. I want it to be lower so I can put the clutch all the way down, then lift it just a bit to start clutch engagement. As it is right now, I feel like the engagement point is very vague and I have to sit pretty far back for things to be comfortable with the clutch, as a result of this....

10. The throws seem too long. I have to stretch my arm out all the way, and then some to engage third gear. I'm sure these points might be able to be rectified by seating position, but with that clutch engagement being so high (which is pretty typical for most cars I suppose) I can't sit much closer or else I'm going to have to lift my knee to bend my leg enough to get off the pedal. May have to look into the short shifter kit.

11. Shifter feels a little rubbery.

12. Putting your owner's manual kit in your glove compartment leaves very little room for much else.

13. I wish the engine was a little louder.

14. I am completely spoiled by this car's interior. The seats are fabulous--they hug me perfectly. The interior feel like quality, unlike my friend's C6 that has many little fit and finish issues.

15. I hope there's a way to get the big yellow and white warning labels off of the vanity mirrors. They cover the whole mirror back and are pretty garish.

16. The convertible top offers great road noise isolation with very little wind noise. I'm very impressed--it's a far cry from all of the other convertibles I've ever been in!

17. I may be feeling slight hesitation during certain part-throttle-tip-in situations, but I may be imagining things. I'll have to drive it some more before I know for sure.

Okay, so that sounds like a lot of complaining, but rest assured that I'm in love with this car. Turn-in is crisp, almost as if the front were toed-out a little bit even though it's not, and there's a perfect on-center feel. The suspension is taut and the chassis feels very rigid. The girlfriend is happy that her butt doesn't leave the seat when i sail over dips and bumps on the road; I'm happy that I can heel-toe into an onramp and get on the throttle way early and just power straight out of it...up to 4500 RPMs.

More handling/driving comments after 1100 miles... If anyone else would like to chime in, I'd love to hear what you have to say!
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Old 05-15-2005, 06:01 PM   #2
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6. The top controls are a bit annoying. It's a one-touch up/down button IF the car is moving. If you do it when the car is not moving, you have to hold the control down for the entire operation. If you let go of the button, the top stops moving and the computer warns you that the top isn't fully closed or retracted. If you push the button while driving, it starts moving but then if you pull up to a stoplight, it stops.

Why? Why!? What use would I have for opening the top halfway? It should ALWAYS be a one-touch button. If I want to stop it midway, I should be able to push the rocker switch in the other direction to stop the motion.
ummm...let me see....to do an oil change or engine service perhaps!
THe "halfway" position is the "Service position" It is needed to access the engine.
With a "one touch" all the time, it would take you forever to time the service position correctly.
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:34 PM   #3
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ummm...let me see....to do an oil change or engine service perhaps!
THe "halfway" position is the "Service position" It is needed to access the engine.
With a "one touch" all the time, it would take you forever to time the service position correctly.
You misunderstand--there isn't a "halfway position". You can let your finger off at any time and it will stop. It might be one inch away from the windshield, it might be one inch away from being all the way flat, or anywhere in between.

They'll still have to time it to get it in a "service position".
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:56 PM   #4
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I'm with you on the clutch engagement being too high....I have a '98 , not sure if its the same as the '05, but being that I am relearning a car with manual, it does seem to be a bit vague......If it were closer to the floor it would definitely be easier to get a feel for the engagement/ release point .......But practice makes perfect! Also makes it a bit more difficult when you have to push the clutch all the way to the floor to start it up (As far as seat positioning) .

Sounds like for the most part you're enjoying it!

Let us know if you find anything out about getting the clutch a little closer to the floor as well

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Old 05-16-2005, 10:04 AM   #5
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Some of the things you're complaining about can be remedied with some cash:

1. Short shifter kit will reduce the throws by 20% or more. Not too expensive.
2. Louder engine? That's gonna cost you with a new exhaust, but it's available.
3. Vanity mirror warnings: You can cover them up with stickers...someone one ebay sells them all the time.
4. The clutch should be able to be adjusted down to the bottom of the range instead of the top... this is a preference thing and they should do it for free under warranty.

The tiny delay in accelleration is very odd in normal mode...I'd whine about this to the dealership and see if they can fiddle with your eletronics. I don't think it should be that way, but I sure do appreciate the heads up if it can't be remedied any other way than to use the sport mode!

The sound system in this car is never going to be stellar... there's just no room for speakers of any real size to produce a volume of sound (not loudness but amount) with the top down or even up. The dealer would tell you the sound of the engine and the wind in your hair should compensate for any deficiencies in the sound system... and to a very small point, I think they're right. They're mostly wrong though, just to insure you know I am a stereo junkie as well and always want more sound fidelity from my car and home systems!
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Old 05-16-2005, 11:44 AM   #6
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Thanks for that info! The engine noise... I shouldn't even been complaining about that yet--I haven't even HEARD it yet really--nothing over half-throttle, nothing over 4500 RPMs. I'm sure it'll be fine.

Porsche has their short shifter kit that I'm sure costs an arm and a leg. I doubt that B&M has made a short shifter for the new 6-speed yet though, eh? I'll wait. It's premature for me to consider modifying anything anyhow.

I'll definitely have a talk with the dealer about the pedal, and I'll definitely look for those stickers that you mentioned!

As for the sound system, yeah I knew I would need to at least get the top-of-the-line system if I wanted to enjoy music in this car at all, but I'm a bit bummed out by how variable the bass control seems to be. Even at the baseline setting, bass sounds rather blown out and heavy at times. I'm not sure if it's the surround sound setting or the automatic adjustments it's making on the fly, but I'll fiddle with it later. I'm a bit of a two-channel hi-fi nut myself, and I know I'll never get that level of audio satisfaction in a car, but it'd be nice to approach it at least.

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Old 06-20-2005, 10:36 PM   #7
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Thanks for the honest review! Two questions regarding the sport button:

Where is it located?

And do you see any practical reason why they did not make this "sport" throttle mapping standard on all Boxsters (or maybe just the S) and do away with this button altogether? It seems like a gimmick/scam to fatten Porsche's wallets, but then again I haven't driven one so I can't comment for sure.

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7. You will want to buy the sport chrono package. The electronic throttle is a bit annoying--in standard mode, it feels like the pedal is just not fully responsive--the very first bit of travel feels like it's being ignored--the car hesitates. I don't get this feeling at all when I push the sport button--the throttle feels as it should.
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17. I may be feeling slight hesitation during certain part-throttle-tip-in situations, but I may be imagining things. I'll have to drive it some more before I know for sure.
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It's located right next to the spoiler button, down low on the center console. Not the most convenient location if you're thinking of switching it on in the heat of the moment, but then, you'd want to be better prepared than that anyhow.

It's a gimmick, for sure--I have no idea why they didn't just make all cars have the better throttle mapping. Maybe they weren't able to get the nice (fake) mileage estimates with the faster throttle opening?

After 2500 miles, I really don't like the electronic throttle. It makes for some strange part-throttle, light-throttle action. Lots of dead spots at low RPM/low throttle, like around tip-in and non-100% lift-off. Or maybe it just feels like it could use a bit more hysteresis around the idle point. I've had a similar experience with my mother's Mercedes E320...

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