2011 Box S & Panamera Hot Laps - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

Topless · 11-22-2010, 06:34 PM

We had a performance driving event last weekend at the historic Pomona Fairplex race track. PCNA came out to play with us sporting a 2011 Box S PDK, a Base Panamera PDK and a pair of Grand Am professional race car drivers. What a Hoot! I got a ride last June in the Panamera S and Boxster Spyder so I was interested in the comparisons.

I really liked the Box S a lot. It is a giant leap in technology compared with my 12 yr old 2.5L 5spd. The PDK is flawless, 300ish HP is exactly right for this car, and the suspension is very sophisticated. Performance is really very close to the Box Spyder in every way. I love the look of the Spyder but reality requires me to have a real top. The track we ran is pretty wide open allowing a driver to use all of their HP. My car with R-comp tires still has higher ultimate grip but the 2011 Box S with Grand Am driver easily drove around me twice. Would I own one ? Yes I would.

The Panamera is pretty amazing too once you are inside. A luxury 4 door with outstanding performance. It too had 300 hp, flawless PDK, and excellent driving dynamics. The down side? Standing next to it I am forced to avert my eyesight. This is not a beautiful car. I have no artistic eye but there is just something wrong with the way it looks. Not the car for me.

JTP · 11-22-2010, 07:03 PM

Great review on your take on the Boxster S! I've heard them drive by on the street and they sound sweet. The Panamera is nice too, it has a quirkiness I like. It's not too pretty but it performs so well and it's 'different' like a a Golf or Jetta is different.

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Originally Posted by Topless

I love the look of the Spyder but reality requires me to have a real top.

I've read alot of people say that and if you're fortunate to have the newer 03-04 glass top or even a GAHH top I can see your point but I still have my original '00 plastic top and I find that it takes a good 3-4 minutes, atleast, to put the top down. First I need to stop, open the trunk and get my towel out, get back in, unlatch the top, open the top halfway, get out and do the 'chop', lay the towel across the window, get back in and open the top the rest of the way while neatly folding and tucking the canvas carefully. I could probably operate the Spyder manual top in about the same time. If I could afford to blow $72,000 right now on a car I'd consider the Spyder within my top three and the manual top would not be an issue.

eightsandaces · 11-23-2010, 03:33 AM

I'm sure that Box Spyder is sweet, if there is money in my future I'm unaware of I'd strongly consider picking up a used one in a couple years. The reality is, I have no where to enjoy something any faster than what I have. The way I see it, if the Box Spyder is among the best of the best in handling, how far down that list can a older Boxster be?

yelojkt · 11-23-2010, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eightsandaces

I have no where to enjoy something any faster than what I have.

The SCCA is all over the US. You can auto-x with them any time. And Watkins Glenn is just 130 miles away. You really should take your car to a HST there.

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Originally Posted by eightsandaces

The way I see it, if the Box Spyder is among the best of the best in handling, how far down that list can a older Boxster be?

This is so true. I could buy a $10,000 boxster put an additional $10,000 in suspension and engine upgrades and smoke a $60,000 spyder on almost any track.

Topless · 11-23-2010, 06:45 AM

[/Quote] This is so true. I could buy a $10,000 boxster put an additional $10,000 in suspension and engine upgrades and smoke a $60,000 spyder on almost any track.[/QUOTE]

I am not so sure. You would probably need the 10K just to get an equivalent motor in there. The PDK is the closest thing yet to a Cup car synchronous gearbox, and the modern PASM sport suspension is very sophisticated. A well sorted 3.6L motor into my car with GT3 arms, JRZ shocks, tarett sways would be closer to $30k total, and you still have a 12 year old car. If the two cars were the same weight on the same tires it would be a very close race. The new Boxster S PDK really is that good.

yelojkt · 11-23-2010, 08:01 AM

This is so true. I could buy a $10,000 boxster put an additional $10,000 in suspension and engine upgrades and smoke a $60,000 spyder on almost any track.[/QUOTE]

I am not so sure. You would probably need the 10K just to get an equivalent motor in there. The PDK is the closest thing yet to a Cup car synchronous gearbox, and the modern PASM sport suspension is very sophisticated. A well sorted 3.6L motor into my car with GT3 arms, JRZ shocks, tarett sways would be closer to $30k total, and you still have a 12 year old car. If the two cars were the same weight on the same tires it would be a very close race. The new Boxster S PDK really is that good.[/QUOTE]

Yes all this is true but that is not what I am saying. Most guys who buy a porsche never drive it anywhere near its limit. All of us on these forums know that most porsche (or any expensive sports car) owners never drive their car to it's full potential. I have passed some really fast cars at Hallett in my Beetle Why? Because I drive the hell out of my car, where as someone with a new porsche in most cases are reluctant to push it. Just look at harry's video of him leaving a 997 at Sebring. Now I'm sure if you put him in the 997 it would be faster. So what I am saying is you can have alot of fun and go really fast in an older car.

PS. I have passed numerous mustangs and Z1 corvettes at Hallett but I have also been passed by spec miatas who can't lose me in the straights but walk all over my beetle in the corners. There is just no way to balance the NB without destroying it as a daily driver, and even then it would be hard if not impossible. That is why I am buying a boxster, I want the balance.