09-29-2010, 12:19 PM
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IMS Retrofit value when selling car
Some of you may have heard that my Boxster S was totaled during Boxtoberfest. I am now battling the insurance company over value of the car. I am trying to figure out if anyone has sold a Boxster / 996 / Cayman at a higher price when the IMS upgrade was done.
I will post the pix when the insurance claim in completed.
Thanks everyone!!
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Current Porsches: 2002 Boxster S (Speed yellow)
Past Porsches: 1972 914, 1987 944S, 1976 930, 1986 951, 1999 986, 1992 968, 2001 986 S, 2006 Cayman S, 1986 951 track car, 2001 986 S, 2005 Cayenne
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Reason: fix typo
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09-29-2010, 12:30 PM
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I'm trying to sell mine and my IMS is the LN bearing....
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09-29-2010, 12:37 PM
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I'd have to say yes; while I have not personally sold a car with the upgrade, but several customer's have and judging from the requests for supporting documents and buyer's asking for verification, there has to be some level of value. If you think about it, if the car has been done, it is like having a $3,000 aftermarket sound system; you won't get it all back, but it does have residual value for the buyer................
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09-29-2010, 01:11 PM
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Many insurance companies use a valuation service from a company called CCC. They just look at "comps" or cars that have been sold (or are for sale) like your car in a given area. They just do not have the experience to handle something like an IMS upgrade and determine how it effects or impacts the value of the car.
That is the main issue I am running up against.
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Current Porsches: 2002 Boxster S (Speed yellow)
Past Porsches: 1972 914, 1987 944S, 1976 930, 1986 951, 1999 986, 1992 968, 2001 986 S, 2006 Cayman S, 1986 951 track car, 2001 986 S, 2005 Cayenne
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09-29-2010, 02:44 PM
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Hand them receipts for the investment. FWIW, I'd pay ~$1k for an upgraded IMS on a used purchase. But unknowing people won't value the work and probably think it is just tinkering for tinkering sake.
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09-29-2010, 02:46 PM
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Personally, I doubt it increases the value much, if at all.
I mean the car is expected to work and the LN fix does nothing to enhance performance.
While it definitely can stave off a disaster, I doubt people would be willing to pay more for it - are used Boxster owners, as a group, so knowledgeable before they own the car? I think not - they just won't appreciate the value of it. Sure, you may get an occaisional 'expert', but the average prospect isn't going to have a clue what you're talking about. Even if you do get an expert, I doubt this will shift the car any higher on their priorities list, a set of 19's or 20's, or a CF interior will likely have more juice.
What it may do is get the car sold faster. Then again, if you mention you had the engine rebuilt or worked on, that could just as easily be a turn-off for a prospect.
So far as Insurance valuation is concerned, it's likely that your ins. co. wouldn't value it and might even try to deny the claim based on the car having been 'modified' w/ non-standard parts (most policies have a clause regarding this).
But, a defendent's ins. co. may be more inclined to consider it just to limit the claim and get it settled quickly before that crick in your neck turns into something more serious and costly.
Cheers!
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09-29-2010, 02:59 PM
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I would not buy a pre-2009 996-997/986-987 Boxster or Carrera without one or I would have it immediately installed if I did.
There is certainly value in taking care of that hassle before the purchase.
Kinda like buying a house with a new roof vs. one that needs immediate repairing.
Although with this Porsche not every roofer knows how to or is even pertmitted do this job, including the one who built the flawed roof in first place.
But since you are dealing with an insurance company, you know how that goes.
People are easily swayed if you simply inform them of a potentially catastrophic Porsche problem that was never addressed by the Germans, send the potential buyer the Excellence articles on the subject and a receipt of your IMS upgrade. An updated IMS would be a very strong selling point to a second hand buyer if you sell it that way, and it's not like your making any of this up to get the sale.
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09-29-2010, 03:14 PM
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sorry to hear of your misfortune
Unfortunately, no added value b/c of the unproven [flame suit on] new IMS you elected to have installed. I'd be careful even mentioning it... As Jim/L-Bastard said above, the car is expected to run. Plus, you'd have a helluva tough time getting Porsche to qualify the LN/Flat6 IMS as an acceptable OEM replacement part...
Sounds like you're already in an uphill battle for getting fair value for the car. Remember, just like in car sales, the adjusters are pros who 'value' totaled cars everyday for a living. As such, they want to give you the least amount possible. Based on the weak #s out there for Boxsters in general, you'll have your hands full pushing them for the most $.
Good luck and you may consider hiring a profession arbitrator/agency (if policy allows) to help even the playing field if their initial numbers are grim
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