Uh Whaaa?

I don't blame Bogg a bit for bailing, hell I've done it twice! haven't any of you guys ever been that in love? The dudes a young man who has experienced betrayal at the highest level what does he get from you guys? A steaming plate of who cares, yet you want to be counted among his friends.

As for grizz, my family is all law enforcement at many different levels. I certainly agree that the officer will never sweat a tinted windows ticket or care about the disposition. Furthermore, only a young inexperienced man would cut off a cruiser, no matter how much brake lining it cost, Bogg should have tailed in behind. Challenge an officer's authuritay and lose everytime. It's clear the officer didn't want to make an issue of it or he could have issued higher citations.

For Grizz, and Rich (who likes to treat adults like children) to be all pompous about the integrity of the law is laughable. Just like Jagger said, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

Finally, if this lil diatribe gets me banned that's ok too, I needed a piece of data and I have it now. It's too bad this BB is a drama look at me club, occasionally there is an important nugget of technical truth but you have to cipher through the pomposity first.


PS read my name backwards.

[RandallNeighbour]

Originally Posted by xusmnimij

PS read my name backwards.

Oh that's rich. Now my mind is churning as to which ex-forum member you are!

[986speedster]

wow got some fish on the hook!! like children!! not an ex-member. Just dont take this as seriously as some, and come here for the tech, not the nonsense and crying.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by xusmnimij

For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

PS read my name backwards.

Best name on the forum, dude!

Hey, don't get me wrong. Most often (well, to be fair, nearly always) I side with law enforcement, but I'm not even going to pretend that all cops are good. Law enforcement is a microcosm of society. I've seen it all. Good cops, bad cops, crazy cops, scared cops, racist cops, sexist cops, you name it. Look at this douche Sergeant who just killed his wife. Now they've finally figured out that he probably killed his last wife too. Gee, really? If you expect me to defend him or the Investigators who missed the first homicide, that's not going to happen. But...what we get mostly here on the forum is stories about how the cop was a jerk because he caught me doing something stupid. No, he wasn't a jerk. You screwed up and he caught you. He was doing his job; the task assigned to him. Today, he was doing his job of catching you better than you were doing your job of not being caught. Period. Traffic enforcement may not be your vision of priority police work, but it's part of his job. What people fail to realize is that there is very little emotional buy-in for a cop writing a traffic ticket. Cops get emotionally invested in child abuse cases, rapes, homicides and other incidents where people have been victimized. Traffic tickets? Whatever. It means very little to the cop; another piece of the job and another slip of paper. The violator on the other hand, is very emotionally involved. He's mortified because he's been stopped. There's going to be a fine. There may be court. His insurance may be affected. Because the violator is emotionally invested, he wants the cop to be as well. Bogg just compained the other day, because the Troopers who stopped him were laughing during the stop. They weren't laughing at him, just laughing in general. So? Because you're upset they should be too? Now on the other hand, if the cop is firm or rigid, he's a jerk. If he is sarcastic...oh my God!!! Have you ever considered that if you weren't caught screwing up you wouldn't have to be talking to this sarcastic jerk in the first place?

Here's a certainty. Be ****************ty to a cop and you're going to get it right back. For an entire career, nearly everyone a cop encounters is at their absolute worst. People call the police when their lives have just spun wildly out of control. People don't call 911 to say "Hi Officers. I'm having a wonderful day. Just thought I'd let you know". People call the police when something terrible has happened to them; something they cannot possibly handle on their own. Consequently, the overworked dispatchers are nasty to the cops; the victims are nasty to the cops; the witnesses are nasty to the cops; the bad guys, by definition are nasty to the cops...all day every day. Now after 20 or 30 instances of the same nastiness on every call for service, here you come, acting silly in your Porsche. How do you expect that's going to go? How about if you have a smart remark for the Officer when he approaches? Yeah, these guys put on a uniform every day. They've heard the professionalism speeches over and over, and are held to a "higher standard". At the end of the day however, they're still human beings. How do you act after taking **************** all day? All week? Twenty years?

I do take exception with the argument that for every one doing a good job there are two who aren't. There are plenty of poor performers out there, but for the most part, Police Officers really are trying to do the right thing. They may not do it the way you'd like it done, or the way I'd like to see it done, but they try. On 9/11, there weren't any stories of guys running away, only stories of guys running in. How many guys do you know who would willingly die to help total strangers?

By the way, I'm not exactly a cop. I'm most like a cop, but not.

[cfos]

+1 nicely said.

[baseball]

Great post Grizz. I have a very good friend that's an ATF agent. He loves his job, but often describes the same situations you mentioned. - in fact you two sound like you could be related!!

[Grizzly]

We are.

[986speedster]

I couldnt have added or said it better myself. Grizz hit every point every police officer has gone through in his or her career. Lastly, if a police officer is accused of something, its the only proffesion where he/she is guilty until proven innocent. Dont shoot until shot at, use just the right amount of force, and only escalate if necessary...etc. If a doctor, lawyer, or whatever was pulled over drinking and driving....life goes on, pay your fine, get a restricted license, some court time, and maybe with a good lawyer, you get off. A police officer is suspended right away, no pay, (and rightly so) but even before his hearing, trial, whatever, he is guilty. Get into a shooting, and the great Rev. Al Sharpton is at your doorsteps with protesters. Guilty until proven innocent. A doctor can kill someone by negligence during an operation, and he only gets sued. His insurance pays for it, and he continues practicing. O.k. enough ranting.

[nola911]

This is the third thread in 2 days to turn to good/cop bad cop. Just throwing that out there.

Grizz,


Great post, please understand that I respect what you do,as I said most of my family is on the job. One thing about your post struck me though, it's when you talk about taking ********************. I work in healthcare, I take my fair share of public nonsense too, key difference is when someone pisses me off I can't take them to jail. As my brother likes to say "there goes a rolling pile of probable cause" or hey look at the rear view mirror they have the "felony forest" going on. Piss off an officer of the law and they will find plenty of ways to get you a night in the ironhouse. As you said correctly, every orgainization is a microcosm of the nation we live in, which means it is an amalgam of good & bad perfomers. My peeps never hassle polite respectful people who show genuine remorse, roll the window down and say why the hell did you pull me over and the tables turn quickly.

I think Bogg is a good dude and I have sympathy for him, my future ex wife (never did marry her thank god) did the same thing. When it first happens it's a real ********************slap, in time he will heal and thank god for the devine intervention.

This forum is great for information, and most of the guys are cool. It does have it's moments where favoritism allows public debauchery, hence my new name..

peace out fellow Porsche lovers, I'd love to show you guys my ride but even that has to be approved apparently.

[meerzee]

What is with all of the drama and juvenile behavior around here with some of these posts? It is really diminishing the quality of the community IMHO.

Lately for some reason, I feel like I am checking on a ricer board with all of this "avoid the law - I cannot believe I got caught, get me out this" and "I got out of my ticket, what a dumb cop" & "I am going to leave this place/don't leave we like you" & "I just lost my cheating GF" rambling. - It is just really juvenile.

Perhaps this is the "poser" activity that was commented on a few weeks ago.
Sadly, I find some of that view to be partially true and that is unfortunate.

[wild1poet2]

Hey Bogg, I don't know what this is about cause I didn't read all the threads but your posts are good stuff. So stick around. If it's about getting a thread locked..... I don't trust anyone unless they had a few threads locked up.... LOL

F**k rules !! Scr*w the establishment.... The Man's always trying to oppress us... [raises the Jolly Roger]

If your not pushing the envelope, on the edge, you're wasting space.

Originally Posted by wild1poet2

Hey Bogg, I don't know what this is about cause I didn't read all the threads but your posts are good stuff. So stick around. If it's about getting a thread locked..... I don't trust anyone unless they had a few threads locked up.... LOL

F**k rules !! Scr*w the establishment.... The Man's always trying to oppress us... [raises the Jolly Roger]

If your not pushing the envelope, on the edge, you're wasting space.

Concerning technology break through I read somewhere in Excellence that Dr. Porsche once said "if you have not failed you have not gone far enough", I'm sure I had threads locked for standing up to the guy who is apparently gone now.

[CJ_Boxster]

Originally Posted by xusmnimij

I'm sure I had threads locked for standing up to the guy who is apparently gone now.

I have 2 under my belt.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by xusmnimij

I don't blame Bogg a bit for bailing, hell I've done it twice! haven't any of you guys ever been that in love? The dudes a young man who has experienced betrayal at the highest level what does he get from you guys? A steaming plate of who cares, yet you want to be counted among his friends.

As for grizz, my family is all law enforcement at many different levels. I certainly agree that the officer will never sweat a tinted windows ticket or care about the disposition. Furthermore, only a young inexperienced man would cut off a cruiser, no matter how much brake lining it cost, Bogg should have tailed in behind. Challenge an officer's authuritay and lose everytime. It's clear the officer didn't want to make an issue of it or he could have issued higher citations.

For Grizz, and Rich (who likes to treat adults like children) to be all pompous about the integrity of the law is laughable. Just like Jagger said, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

Finally, if this lil diatribe gets me banned that's ok too, I needed a piece of data and I have it now. It's too bad this BB is a drama look at me club, occasionally there is an important nugget of technical truth but you have to cipher through the pomposity first.


PS read my name backwards.

For the record, I didn't ban anyone, I hardly ever do. If I remember correctly, I thought the thread had degraded to a tit for tat rant on cops. I do lock threads when I think they have devolved to pissing matches.

I am sorry I didn't show the proper respect for the original post. However, when you post something that invites opinions, you get them. Mine may not have delighted.

I will shut down the Global Warming thread as it seems to annoy more than enjoy!