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Grizzly · 11-12-2007, 08:08 PM

C'mon Bogg. You don't take your toys and go home over that. We were having a discussion and Bruce shut it down. That's his prerogative. You disagree with his choice of words. You're pissed. You have a lot of **************** going on right now. I get it, but delete this post and forget it. You're bigger than that.

djomlas · 11-12-2007, 08:15 PM

yeah man, dont leave, you contribute a lot here and we like you around here.

are you sure youre not leaving couse ure a poser?

nola911 · 11-12-2007, 08:16 PM

Grizz is right man, we all come on here to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly. We don't have to always agree with each other to call each other "cyber" friends. This is a good sight and it has a nice backbone. Don't sweat the thread being deleted, it was going off course anyway (I'm guilty).

Have a drink, go to bed, wake up happy and stick around.

Frodo · 11-13-2007, 04:59 AM

Yeah, Bogg, what they said goes for me too. (And, I suspect, the majority of the forum members.)

unklekraker · 11-13-2007, 06:11 AM

i agree with what everyone has said here esp. Grizz

Gary in BR · 11-13-2007, 06:41 AM

Bogg,

I'll add my vote for you staying around. We have all had women do crazy things to us, no one here will look at you any different for blowing up and staying part of us.

I mean man we already lost that guy in MN we dont need to lose you too.

Gary

RandallNeighbour · 11-13-2007, 07:11 AM

Frankly, I was surprised to see that thread shut down. Very odd use of one's power, especially when it didn't violate the other Richard's rules for the board which seem to be conveniently ignored when it comes to political views on global warming.

However, I don't own the forum and the golden rule applies here. He who has the gold makes the rules.

Don't leave the forum. I enjoy your participation!

cvhs18472 · 11-13-2007, 07:34 AM

One of the reasons for revolt is the misuse of power. I still don't understand how, with rule #4 in place, the Global warming post is still up. There are things that interest all of us which do not violate any of the posted rules except #4, and we get tossed. I will miss the man as the forum is the sum of all who are active, but he must feel that a statement must be made. What about a boycott of sponsors products till a fairer hand is in charge.

CJ_Boxster · 11-13-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Frankly, I was surprised to see that thread shut down. Very odd use of one's power, especially when it didn't violate the other Richard's rules for the board which seem to be conveniently ignored when it comes to political views on global warming.

example: My Non-Porn thread

11-14-2007, 08:14 AM

I don't blame Bogg a bit for bailing, hell I've done it twice! haven't any of you guys ever been that in love? The dudes a young man who has experienced betrayal at the highest level what does he get from you guys? A steaming plate of who cares, yet you want to be counted among his friends.

As for grizz, my family is all law enforcement at many different levels. I certainly agree that the officer will never sweat a tinted windows ticket or care about the disposition. Furthermore, only a young inexperienced man would cut off a cruiser, no matter how much brake lining it cost, Bogg should have tailed in behind. Challenge an officer's authuritay and lose everytime. It's clear the officer didn't want to make an issue of it or he could have issued higher citations.

For Grizz, and Rich (who likes to treat adults like children) to be all pompous about the integrity of the law is laughable. Just like Jagger said, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

Finally, if this lil diatribe gets me banned that's ok too, I needed a piece of data and I have it now. It's too bad this BB is a drama look at me club, occasionally there is an important nugget of technical truth but you have to cipher through the pomposity first.

PS read my name backwards.

RandallNeighbour · 11-14-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xusmnimij

PS read my name backwards.

Oh that's rich. Now my mind is churning as to which ex-forum member you are!

986speedster · 11-14-2007, 08:37 AM

wow got some fish on the hook!! like children!! not an ex-member. Just dont take this as seriously as some, and come here for the tech, not the nonsense and crying.

Grizzly · 11-14-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xusmnimij

For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

PS read my name backwards.

Best name on the forum, dude!

Hey, don't get me wrong. Most often (well, to be fair, nearly always) I side with law enforcement, but I'm not even going to pretend that all cops are good. Law enforcement is a microcosm of society. I've seen it all. Good cops, bad cops, crazy cops, scared cops, racist cops, sexist cops, you name it. Look at this douche Sergeant who just killed his wife. Now they've finally figured out that he probably killed his last wife too. Gee, really? If you expect me to defend him or the Investigators who missed the first homicide, that's not going to happen. But...what we get mostly here on the forum is stories about how the cop was a jerk because he caught me doing something stupid. No, he wasn't a jerk. You screwed up and he caught you. He was doing his job; the task assigned to him. Today, he was doing his job of catching you better than you were doing your job of not being caught. Period. Traffic enforcement may not be your vision of priority police work, but it's part of his job. What people fail to realize is that there is very little emotional buy-in for a cop writing a traffic ticket. Cops get emotionally invested in child abuse cases, rapes, homicides and other incidents where people have been victimized. Traffic tickets? Whatever. It means very little to the cop; another piece of the job and another slip of paper. The violator on the other hand, is very emotionally involved. He's mortified because he's been stopped. There's going to be a fine. There may be court. His insurance may be affected. Because the violator is emotionally invested, he wants the cop to be as well. Bogg just compained the other day, because the Troopers who stopped him were laughing during the stop. They weren't laughing at him, just laughing in general. So? Because you're upset they should be too? Now on the other hand, if the cop is firm or rigid, he's a jerk. If he is sarcastic...oh my God!!! Have you ever considered that if you weren't caught screwing up you wouldn't have to be talking to this sarcastic jerk in the first place?

Here's a certainty. Be ****************ty to a cop and you're going to get it right back. For an entire career, nearly everyone a cop encounters is at their absolute worst. People call the police when their lives have just spun wildly out of control. People don't call 911 to say "Hi Officers. I'm having a wonderful day. Just thought I'd let you know". People call the police when something terrible has happened to them; something they cannot possibly handle on their own. Consequently, the overworked dispatchers are nasty to the cops; the victims are nasty to the cops; the witnesses are nasty to the cops; the bad guys, by definition are nasty to the cops...all day every day. Now after 20 or 30 instances of the same nastiness on every call for service, here you come, acting silly in your Porsche. How do you expect that's going to go? How about if you have a smart remark for the Officer when he approaches? Yeah, these guys put on a uniform every day. They've heard the professionalism speeches over and over, and are held to a "higher standard". At the end of the day however, they're still human beings. How do you act after taking **************** all day? All week? Twenty years?

I do take exception with the argument that for every one doing a good job there are two who aren't. There are plenty of poor performers out there, but for the most part, Police Officers really are trying to do the right thing. They may not do it the way you'd like it done, or the way I'd like to see it done, but they try. On 9/11, there weren't any stories of guys running away, only stories of guys running in. How many guys do you know who would willingly die to help total strangers?

By the way, I'm not exactly a cop. I'm most like a cop, but not.

cfos · 11-14-2007, 10:41 AM

+1 nicely said.

baseball · 11-14-2007, 10:55 AM

Great post Grizz. I have a very good friend that's an ATF agent. He loves his job, but often describes the same situations you mentioned. - in fact you two sound like you could be related!!

Grizzly · 11-14-2007, 11:10 AM

We are.

986speedster · 11-14-2007, 11:13 AM

I couldnt have added or said it better myself. Grizz hit every point every police officer has gone through in his or her career. Lastly, if a police officer is accused of something, its the only proffesion where he/she is guilty until proven innocent. Dont shoot until shot at, use just the right amount of force, and only escalate if necessary...etc. If a doctor, lawyer, or whatever was pulled over drinking and driving....life goes on, pay your fine, get a restricted license, some court time, and maybe with a good lawyer, you get off. A police officer is suspended right away, no pay, (and rightly so) but even before his hearing, trial, whatever, he is guilty. Get into a shooting, and the great Rev. Al Sharpton is at your doorsteps with protesters. Guilty until proven innocent. A doctor can kill someone by negligence during an operation, and he only gets sued. His insurance pays for it, and he continues practicing. O.k. enough ranting.

wild1poet2 · 11-15-2007, 05:15 AM

Hey Bogg, I don't know what this is about cause I didn't read all the threads but your posts are good stuff. So stick around. If it's about getting a thread locked..... I don't trust anyone unless they had a few threads locked up.... LOL

F**k rules !! Scr*w the establishment.... The Man's always trying to oppress us... [raises the Jolly Roger]

If your not pushing the envelope, on the edge, you're wasting space.

Brucelee · 11-26-2007, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xusmnimij

I don't blame Bogg a bit for bailing, hell I've done it twice! haven't any of you guys ever been that in love? The dudes a young man who has experienced betrayal at the highest level what does he get from you guys? A steaming plate of who cares, yet you want to be counted among his friends.

As for grizz, my family is all law enforcement at many different levels. I certainly agree that the officer will never sweat a tinted windows ticket or care about the disposition. Furthermore, only a young inexperienced man would cut off a cruiser, no matter how much brake lining it cost, Bogg should have tailed in behind. Challenge an officer's authuritay and lose everytime. It's clear the officer didn't want to make an issue of it or he could have issued higher citations.

For Grizz, and Rich (who likes to treat adults like children) to be all pompous about the integrity of the law is laughable. Just like Jagger said, every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. For every Grizz out there performing the job with integrity there are two guys doing the job poorly and misusing their position, sometimes with other law enforcement. I've seen badges, put other badge's hands on the hood so please grizz spare us the we all dawn halos routine.

Finally, if this lil diatribe gets me banned that's ok too, I needed a piece of data and I have it now. It's too bad this BB is a drama look at me club, occasionally there is an important nugget of technical truth but you have to cipher through the pomposity first.

PS read my name backwards.

For the record, I didn't ban anyone, I hardly ever do. If I remember correctly, I thought the thread had degraded to a tit for tat rant on cops. I do lock threads when I think they have devolved to pissing matches.

I am sorry I didn't show the proper respect for the original post. However, when you post something that invites opinions, you get them. Mine may not have delighted.

I will shut down the Global Warming thread as it seems to annoy more than enjoy!