As close as it gets: IMS Save!

[BIGJake111]

Regardless of morals I don't see how any of these sellers have the guts to sell a car with a dosing ims knowing it is likely to go out on a test drive. It is a very immediate issue as we all know. failure appears to happen within the first week or so of ownership on these guardian cars. How pins and needles it must be for the seller on the test drives is unimaginable.

[newob]

Thank God that I replaced mine. It was in perfect looking condition and the seals were in good shape. I am sleeping very peacefully now. Especially since the RMS was replaced, along with the water pump, clutch, and the air oil separator at the same time. yes the total cost was $3k for all of that, but it was totally worth it.

If the engine every does give out, I am going to ship the car straight to Arizona and have the V-8 conversion completed on it for $7k :dance:

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by newob

If the engine every does give out, I am going to ship the car straight to Arizona and have the V-8 conversion completed on it for $7k :dance:

When I looked into this $7k only covered the conversion kit and not the donor engine.
To get GT3 type power from the V8 you're probably in the $20k region and that's before you tweak the suspension.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Regardless of morals I don't see how any of these sellers have the guts to sell a car with a dosing ims knowing it is likely to go out on a test drive. It is a very immediate issue as we all know. failure appears to happen within the first week or so of ownership on these guardian cars. How pins and needles it must be for the seller on the test drives is unimaginable.

Or to someone who saved up and / or bought their own car after decades of underpaying jobs and a decade of self-employment. Then the buying risk FAR outweighs the worries about selling it to some teenager who's dad is buying it...

When you earn the money you use to buy your first (well, next) P car you will feel different.

[Series9]

The customer has a receipt for the work that says "NO WARRANTY DUE TO DEBRIS FOUND FROM A FAILING BEARING".

This is a case of doing the best we could given the customer's financial parameters. It was either try to save it or part out the car. The customer was fully informed when he made the decision to proceed.

I feel good about the work we did and I stand by our decisions. I run an honest shop that respects my customers.

If he sells the car and presents the paperwork for the bearing to a prospective buyer, the buyer will see documentation of what happened.




AND, I've been pre qualifying cars since before the LN "code of conduct" even existed. This car passed visual inspection of the pan and filter, and passed the cam timing check with the laptop before I started work.




I'm thinking I remember now why I don't post here very much......

[Jake Raby]

Maybe all of that is good enough, and maybe there will be a positive outcome.

To clarify, Series9 is neither a Preferred Installer of IMS Retrofit components, or a Certified Installer of the IMS Solution.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Series9

The customer has a receipt for the work that says "NO WARRANTY DUE TO DEBRIS FOUND FROM A FAILING BEARING".

This is a case of doing the best we could given the customer's financial parameters. It was either try to save it or part out the car. The customer was fully informed when he made the decision to proceed.

I feel good about the work we did and I stand by our decisions. I run an honest shop that respects my customers.

If he sells the car and presents the paperwork for the bearing to a prospective buyer, the buyer will see documentation of what happened.




AND, I've been pre qualifying cars since before the LN "code of conduct" even existed. This car passed visual inspection of the pan and filter, and passed the cam timing check with the laptop before I started work.

I'm thinking I remember now why I don't post here very much......

Thinking that's a very fair way to do it as some clients don't have the financial resources to do it up 'the official way'. My concern - would it not also make sense to stamp it right on the car somehow? Someone could get this done and then quickly flip the car. If they don't present the paperwork, how would the new buyer know? Or am I missing something?

[healthservices]

Originally Posted by Series9

I'm thinking I remember now why I don't post here very much......

I think most of people who post here often think the same, yet many still come back and I appreciate that many still do.

[rp17]

Originally Posted by healthservices

I think most of people who post here often think the same, yet many still come back and I appreciate that many still do.

I agree. Thanks to you all.

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Series9

The customer has a receipt for the work that says "NO WARRANTY DUE TO DEBRIS FOUND FROM A FAILING BEARING".

This is a case of doing the best we could given the customer's financial parameters. It was either try to save it or part out the car. The customer was fully informed when he made the decision to proceed.

I feel good about the work we did and I stand by our decisions. I run an honest shop that respects my customers.

If he sells the car and presents the paperwork for the bearing to a prospective buyer, the buyer will see documentation of what happened.


AND, I've been pre qualifying cars since before the LN "code of conduct" even existed. This car passed visual inspection of the pan and filter, and passed the cam timing check with the laptop before I started work.




I'm thinking I remember now why I don't post here very much......

Before you started work?? You, yourself, ran it with that bearing??

You should have passed. Not everyone can afford to do it right. Do you really think he will present that paperwork, or just hear verbally "new IMS!!!"????

I don't think you should be doing engine work. Maybe more oil changes and AOS jobs, but nothing internal. This does nobody any good but your own bank account.

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by Timco

Before you started work?? You, yourself, ran it with that bearing??

You should have passed. Not everyone can afford to do it right. Do you really think he will present that paperwork, or just hear verbally "new IMS!!!"????

I don't think you should be doing engine work. Maybe more oil changes and AOS jobs, but nothing internal. This does nobody any good but your own bank account.

Remember, thats why he doesn't come here very often.

[rp17]

Its pretty clear now he won't be enjoying this Boxster for a long time. Sounds like the owner of the car should try to get his money back. I would call Joe Pesci on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzAS53gcDg

[Lobo1186]

Originally Posted by rp17

Its pretty clear now he won't be enjoying this Boxster for a long time. Sounds like the owner of the car should try to get his money back. I would call Joe Pesci on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzAS53gcDg

Great movie! I do not see any reason why the owner won't be enjoying his car. Everyone here is always so worried about one thing or another. It isn't worth all the gray hairs.

[Ebell914]

OK, that is where I was confused. Perhaps LNE has info on my car as it was not installed by Jake.

Chuck - would I be able to check with you to see if the installer from the PO (Import Performance in Wilmington, NC) ever registered with you?

[Series9]

These are the last comments I will make on this:


My primary reason for starting this thread was to try to keep the IMS failure issue front and center. I've seen quite a few scrapped engines over these failures and want to encourage everyone to address their cars while they have a good bearing, and not a bearing in the condition I found this one.



Saying that the owners of these cars should not have a choice about the repairs because they might try to sell them later without disclosing what was done, is the same as saying that body shops should not be allowed to fix cars after an accident because the owner might not disclose in the future.

The serial number of the bearing and the VIN of the car have been registered with LN. If the engine fails, well, we will have done our best to try to save it. Again, that's the best we could do on this one. Try to remember, this is America. You know, personal freedom and all that jazz.

Jake's statement that I am neither a "Preferred Installer" nor certified in the IMS Solution is correct, but I feel that he put it up to imply that I am somehow unqualified to do either. I was a preferred installer for four years, and decided a few months ago to let my subscription expire because I felt that my advertising dollars would be spent more efficiently locally. I removed myself from the list, not the other way around. As to whether I become an installer of the IMS Solution, I don't know what the future holds, but I'm not ruling it out.

I am, and will continue to be a huge supporter of LN Engineering and their products. I am a dealer for their products and plan to continue in that role.

I apologize for creating an unnecessary ******************** storm here. Running a car shop presents many and varied ethical gray areas. I work hard to stay on the correct side of the fence and will continue to do so.

If you haven't addressed your factory bearing, please do.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Series9

I apologize for creating an unnecessary ******************** storm here. Running a car shop presents many and varied ethical gray areas. I work hard to stay on the correct side of the fence and will continue to do so.

If you haven't addressed your factory bearing, please do.

Actually I think thread has been very helpful. So no need to apologize.
Lurkers looking to buy a second hand Boxster, in my experience on this forum, have generally not been advised to be careful with Boxsters/Carreras that have had IMS swaps yet are being sold not long after or with few miles since the IMS upgrade. Typically, prospective buyers coming on this forum to ask if a particular car up for sale is a good value or not, have treated an IMS swap as an open and shut case of a selling point. This thread has pointed out that an IMS swap can indeed be a very good thing or a red flag to move on.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Series9

I apologize for creating an unnecessary ******************** storm here.

A little controversy maybe but no where near a **** storm! That term is forever reserved for "that which will remain unmentioned".

And no, don't ask, because mentioning it will get us all in trouble with the Moderators.

[Jake Raby]

Jake's statement that I am neither a "Preferred Installer" nor certified in the IMS Solution is correct, but I feel that he put it up to imply that I am somehow unqualified to do either.

Trust that it was posted in exactly the manner it was intended. If I wanted to say more, it wouldn't have been implied, as you state in your quoted text above. It would have been stated in a forward, direct manner, just like everything else that I state.

You never have to wonder what I am thinking, I'll tell you. I'll tell anyone. Eyeball to eyeball, toe to toe, or here online.

I have an engine here right now that should not have been retrofitted. Luckily it was caught before any other damage was done. It still has to come all apart, see an ultrasonic cleansing and go back together with it.

That one was carried out by a dealer...........

[jotoole]

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[BTfd2e93]

not trying to steal this thread .... but

do we know if any further analysis/stats have been taken about how the LN retro has been standing up? last time i checked, when i install mine - i think the highest mileage on the retrofit of their customer was 50K miles? (since no sample was available for 50K+ on an LN retro ...... ) has one been checked further on?