986 Haters

[Burg Boxster]

Originally Posted by That986

I don't go to any of the PCGB meets in or near London anymore, I think that tells you everything about their attitude.

Yeah, that you're a snob and they aren't!

j/k

[Twin headlight Ernie]

I've only had my 986S a few months and was fortunate that my first encounter with a PCA club was 100 percent positive. It was a group from South Dakota that was in town (La Crosse WI) for the weekend. Being a local I was able to steer them towards some of my favorite roads and places that only a local can. It was a fun weekend and I made a few new friends.
I've come across haters and snobs over the years in many different situations. I simply don't have time for that negativity in my life. I like to go out of my way to present myself in the total opposite manner. I try to be kind and friendly so it reflects back towards the P car people in positive light.

[jb92563]

I've had girls and guys tell me "Nice Porsche" but I have never had anyone tell me how disgusting my car looks, even when its dirtied up with tape racing numbers.

I rather enjoy being the only Porsche in the Parking lot and enjoying the awesome sound and handling on every drive.

Hater's, who cares what they think. Never met a hater who's opinion I valued.

[Anker]

I am a 2004 Boxster S owner and a very active member of the PCA NER region, having done DE, AX, Tours, Concourse and training sessions. Not once have I run into any snobbery or looking down upon Boxsters. We have a great and welcoming group here, and I plan to do everything I can to keep it that way.

[DWBOX2000]

I find most guys are ok. I do think Sometimes people just like to talk about themselves and what they have. If you listen, they get along. You just hope they ask a question about your ride back. I make a point to try and talk to everyone about their car "story". The car is only part of the interest for me. A guy that dropped 100k and just turns the key doesn't make much of a story. I have met a few like that but they make it fun talking about how they just wrote a check and don't even know what a screwdriver is. I guess at the end of the day, assume nothing. Most people are good and the ones that are not, oh well. You just hope they learn. Life to short to be a dick.

[marcoc]

Originally Posted by Anker

I am a 2004 Boxster S owner and a very active member of the PCA NER region, having done DE, AX, Tours, Concourse and training sessions. Not once have I run into any snobbery or looking down upon Boxsters. We have a great and welcoming group here, and I plan to do everything I can to keep it that way.

I am a newer member and its an observation, hell my old man had an 85 Carrera and he said the same over 15 years ago. I am not the only one who notices this either. I am not expecting warm hugs but this is the most unfriendly group of enthusiasts I have meet. I have been involved in Toyota, Mustang, VW/Audi, Dodge groups so I have some experience.

[grc0456]

Originally Posted by Anker

I am a 2004 Boxster S owner and a very active member of the PCA NER region, having done DE, AX, Tours, Concourse and training sessions. Not once have I run into any snobbery or looking down upon Boxsters. We have a great and welcoming group here, and I plan to do everything I can to keep it that way.

+1 Anker! Our region seems to open and accepting to all. I truly think I bring more of it on myself sometimes...that feeling that I’m not worthy to hang with people whose PCCB are likely worth more than my car...lol. But then I remember that you cannot measure the enthusiasm and enjoyment that I get out of my 986, and my smile is as big as someone who is driving something more valuable, rare, etc.

Now, I’m not saying there aren’t “look down their nose” people in the Porsche community - there always have been and always will be. Just ask the 914 guys, who are finally getting the respect they deserve. But, if someone shows this attitude to me, I just find the many others who don’t and spend time with them instead.

And, BTW, both Anker and I were made Board members in our club. So, no 986 discrimination there!




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[sfkjeld]

Geez, I don’t know why anyone would care much what other Porsche guys think. The one’s with attitude are most likely idiots and really don’t know much more about their cars than how they think they look in it. I’ve owned 3 911’s; 71S, 72E, 78 SC. None were in spectacular shape, but I put a lot of miles on them. Fun sure. But truthfully, my 2000 2.7 Boxster is a better driver. Does everything better with the exception of seating position. The old 911’s had a ton of leg room. I do miss that. But heat not coming out of heater boxes from under an air/oil cooled engine is nice. Real AC, nice. Mid engine handling, nice. I’d like another old 911 sure. But not willing at this point to take a second mortgage for it.

My 2 bits. Enjoy your Boxsters. Really fun cars.

[marcoc]

Originally Posted by sfkjeld

Geez, I don’t know why anyone would care much what other Porsche guys think. The one’s with attitude are most likely idiots and really don’t know much more about their cars than how they think they look in it. I’ve owned 3 911’s; 71S, 72E, 78 SC. None were in spectacular shape, but I put a lot of miles on them. Fun sure. But truthfully, my 2000 2.7 Boxster is a better driver. Does everything better with the exception of seating position. The old 911’s had a ton of leg room. I do miss that. But heat not coming out of heater boxes from under an air/oil cooled engine is nice. Real AC, nice. Mid engine handling, nice. I’d like another old 911 sure. But not willing at this point to take a second mortgage for it.

My 2 bits. Enjoy your Boxsters. Really fun cars.

Its not what others think, read my original post its the general demeanor of SOME owners. I am stating an observation.

[sfkjeld]

We are all stating observation and my observation was that a lot of posters had issue with Porsche snobbery. As another poster said, this happens in all sort of endeavors. Cars are just one and by no means limited to Porsches. I am a big fan of 986’s and whatever snobbery I’ve seen has been easy to ignore. A further observation; happily, seems the friendlier the Porsche owner, the more they know. Hence, the more I learn. That’s a good deal all the way around.

[Burg Boxster]

Try different types of events in your region. From my experience in a couple regions, friendliness is inverse to what you might expect.

If snobbery shows up, it typically is isolated to "the waxers" as a friend refers to them. Those who EXCLUSIVELY participate in show-n-shine/concours events and nothing else. Simple insecurity on their part which I know you can rise above. If anything this makes perfect sense as "they" are attending to just 'show off' an object for praise... as opposed to connecting with people (which is the true purpose). And before anyone takes offense to term "waxers", yes I do concours events occasionally and in full disclosure have done very well in them with the same car I had put on the track a few weeks earlier.

On the other hand, typically "drivers" in a club (aka those who participate in DE, AX and even most rally drivers) are most welcoming/friendly. Huge camaraderie develops weekends at a track... or whilst spending a day humping cones. Not to mention skill [usually] humbles quickly. You can talk a huge game all you want but proof is in the pudding when you're doing 150-200 feet per second. Guys in an original 944 w skill can easily embarrass drivers w/ double and even triple the HP. By the same token, I've also seen a guy w a stock Gen-3 VW Golf run neck to neck w a 997 GT3RS owner (talk about humbling) yet at the end of the day they'll grab a beer, dinner and a cigar together.

Again try different types of events in your region. Some also comes down to your confidence level. If someone asks what you drive, say "A sweet 2001 986 S (or Boxster if you prefer) which I do much maintenance on and keep modifying to meet my needs"... As opposed to what I've witnessed more than once - "Oh, just an old Boxster". Exhibit your automotive passion and despise of lesser German marques - especially BMW (yes I'm a BMWCCA member). The vast vast vast majority of people could not care less how much you paid for a vehicle. In fact most will instead try to connect w/ you by saying something complimentary of your vehicle and or connecting you w someone they know in the club who has the same. If not, eff 'em.

Good luck


PS - if you want to really see snobs, swing by any Mercedes Club event and watch all the 3-4 person cliques... It's quite entertaining

[marcoc]

Originally Posted by Burg Boxster

Try different types of events in your region. From my experience in a couple regions, friendliness is inverse to what you might expect.

If snobbery shows up, it typically is isolated to "the waxers" as a friend refers to them. Those who EXCLUSIVELY participate in show-n-shine/concours events and nothing else. Simple insecurity on their part which I know you can rise above. If anything this makes perfect sense as "they" are attending to just 'show off' an object for praise... as opposed to connecting with people (which is the true purpose). And before anyone takes offense to term "waxers", yes I do concours events occasionally and in full disclosure have done very well in them with the same car I had put on the track a few weeks earlier.

On the other hand, typically "drivers" in a club (aka those who participate in DE, AX and even most rally drivers) are most welcoming/friendly. Huge camaraderie develops weekends at a track... or whilst spending a day humping cones. Not to mention skill [usually] humbles quickly. You can talk a huge game all you want but proof is in the pudding when you're doing 150-200 feet per second. Guys in an original 944 w skill can easily embarrass drivers w/ double and even triple the HP. By the same token, I've also seen a guy w a stock Gen-3 VW Golf run neck to neck w a 997 GT3RS owner (talk about humbling) yet at the end of the day they'll grab a beer, dinner and a cigar together.

Again try different types of events in your region. Some also comes down to your confidence level. If someone asks what you drive, say "A sweet 2001 986 S (or Boxster if you prefer) which I do much maintenance on and keep modifying to meet my needs"... As opposed to what I've witnessed more than once - "Oh, just an old Boxster". Exhibit your automotive passion and despise of lesser German marques - especially BMW (yes I'm a BMWCCA member). The vast vast vast majority of people could not care less how much you paid for a vehicle. In fact most will instead try to connect w/ you by saying something complimentary of your vehicle and or connecting you w someone they know in the club who has the same. If not, eff 'em.

Good luck


PS - if you want to really see snobs, swing by any Mercedes Club event and watch all the 3-4 person cliques... It's quite entertaining

Well said and your right on all points. I have experienced friendly people in AutoX groups now that you mention it, funny but hose guys are only at the AX events lol. Never see too many "high" end cars there really mostly guys with 996's and older 911's ripping up the course.

[Quadcammer]

Never experienced a different reaction between my 993tt and my boxster. Especially at the track, the box always gets positive comments. Maybe the wrong crowd, try the guys who autox or de, they seem to be less snobby

[marcoc]

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

Never experienced a different reaction between my 993tt and my boxster. Especially at the track, the box always gets positive comments. Maybe the wrong crowd, try the guys who autox or de, they seem to be less snobby

Another member commented here on same thing, yea I actually noticed friendlier guys over on the DE/AutoX side for sure. I think because I am on the younger side they think I have no clue owning a Porsche, not sure.

[marcoc]

Some members are bringing up a good point as far as "groups" within PCA that may be friendlier such as the DE and AutoX guys and they are right I actually meet a couple guys there sometime ago now that I think about it. I think the fact that I look like a younger guy may have something to do with it? nothing against age as many owners are "seasoned" and 45 plus years of age.

[That986]

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

Never experienced a different reaction between my 993tt and my boxster. Especially at the track, the box always gets positive comments. Maybe the wrong crowd, try the guys who autox or de, they seem to be less snobby

Always find that the people who actually "drive" their cars always are better company no matter the marque.

[jccash]

Just happy I have a 986 in good condition with about 175k miles So far the Orlando Porsche club let’s me in LOL


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[pkp4911]

Love the pecking order... I've been around P cars since 79, when I bought at the ripe old age of 21 my first 911. 72 T, with a 69 E engine...I didn't know about the motor swap until one day I came into the d'ship I was working for--Rexroat P/A in East Moline, IL after driving over 100mph to get there on time from Peoria and noticed my exhaust was literally white. I'd just changed plugs that weekend (for a 2.4T) and discovered I was lucky to not have holed a piston in the 2.0E due to differences in heat range...I rolled that car about 6 mos later when I discovered trailing throttle oversteer at night doing about 110 around a long sweeper in the country and realized they'd dug a trench across the road...i survived and the roll was slow enough that I drove it home-- headlight pointing to the night sky, windshield busted, and roof crunched.
I digress. Point is, from that age on, I was hooked on the inherent quality of Porsches (I was able to repair that car and drove it for a couple of years-- then my brother took it) and since then, have owned a 356 T5 Roadster, (rue that decision to sell!) a real 914-6, several later 911's and still own my 73 E S/R coupe since 1989...that was my track mate for 20 years--mainly Midwest so perhaps there's something to be said for Midwst peeps... when early 911's started to get stupid expensive, I retired and picked up lan 03 986S. The point of the post, I reckon. My experience is I think its what YOU make of it... 914 owners used to be the lowest rung, then 924's (77-79) however, enthusiasm trumps all. We all started the car journey somewhere. The first outing with the box? We spun a bearing. (Crappy inherent design which really was a HUGE disappointment) 20 years without a mechanical failure in the 911. Yet, I've never felt judged. Maybe because I've been around it too long. I sold P cars for ten years and personally was responsible for getting a couple of hundred peeps involved with PCA over that time. Most enjoyed it for the camaraderie and the ability to drive the cars at rallys and track events. Get involved and be enthusiastic and you'll get out what you put in-- regardless of what you drive.

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[alm001]

Is this the CVR PCA? Everyone I have encountered has been great, and I can assure you I look younger than you.

Do you plan to attend the spring rally?

[marcoc]

Originally Posted by alm001

Is this the CVR PCA? Everyone I have encountered has been great, and I can assure you I look younger than you.

Do you plan to attend the spring rally?

My line of work its difficult to commit to long events and the 2 kids under 6 makes it worse. I attend a couple events a year. The AutoX guys seemed down to earth. I know what your going to say next that I need to go to more events and "hang" out. Many other groups of enthusiasts I grew up around accepted guys a little better even if they didnt hang out much.