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		|  06-08-2017, 09:46 PM | #1 |  
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				Bought a Durometric
			 
 
			After I use it on mine, I will have 2 VIN'S left.  Just ordered it so it will be a week or so before I get it. 
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		|  06-09-2017, 07:32 AM | #2 |  
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			The big challenge with Durametric is finding a source of all the Expected Values or acceptable ranges for the Values tested. Some ,like Deviation angles are searchable, some like O2 sensor voltages are generic knowledge but there are many others for which there seems to be no data. If you find a source of such values for Durametric it would be an Instant Sticky .Pelican were out of stock of the OBD manual for the M96 so they might like to comment on when it will be available again.That was the best source I know of.
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		|  06-10-2017, 09:32 AM | #3 |  
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			Mine just came on Thursday. I love it so far, but it shows a ton of data, and there needs to be a guide of what you're looking at, and what it should be to be within range.
 I bought mine to help me with my alarm system. So far, as far as I can tell, my alarm module (m535) is shot.
 
 It also gives over rev data which I like.
 
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		|  06-10-2017, 11:44 AM | #4 |  
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			The on line bootleg of the  Porsche repair manual has all the values.
		 
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			I have considered buying one several times.  But, after reading post from non-professional mechanics it sounds like it is difficult to decipher the information it gives you.  
 It has been mentioned before that it would be nice to have a separate sub-forum here just for discussions on the Durametric Diagnostic Tool.
 
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		|  06-10-2017, 03:42 PM | #6 |  
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					Originally Posted by Chuck W.  I have considered buying one several times.  But, after reading post from non-professional mechanics it sounds like it is difficult to decipher the information it gives you.  
 It has been mentioned before that it would be nice to have a separate sub-forum here just for discussions on the Durametric Diagnostic Tool.
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I subscribe to Renntech and they are the best resource I know.
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		|  06-10-2017, 05:21 PM | #7 |  
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					Originally Posted by Chuck W.  I have considered buying one several times.  But, after reading post from non-professional mechanics it sounds like it is difficult to decipher the information it gives you.  
 It has been mentioned before that it would be nice to have a separate sub-forum here just for discussions on the Durametric Diagnostic Tool.
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The major drawback to both the Durametric system and the factory OBD II manuals is that both are designed for someone that already knows what they are doing, which tends to make them non DIY friendly at all.  
 
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		|  06-11-2017, 04:40 PM | #8 |  
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					Originally Posted by san rensho  The on line bootleg of the  Porsche repair manual has all the values. |  
PM me a link    
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		|  06-12-2017, 12:35 PM | #9 |  
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			Looks like the manual may no longer be available. https://sites.google.com/site/mikefocke2/manuals
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		|  06-12-2017, 01:38 PM | #10 |  
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Porsche has been cracking down on everyone violating their intellectual property rights, even going after someone for sharing a single copy of a TSB that they had legitimately purchased from Porsche.  And when they do come after you, they are so draconian, no one wants to be involved.
		 
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		|  06-12-2017, 02:27 PM | #11 |  
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					Originally Posted by JFP in PA  Porsche has been cracking down on everyone violating their intellectual property rights, even going after someone for sharing a single copy of a TSB that they had legitimately purchased from Porsche.  And when they do come after you, they are so draconian, no one wants to be involved. |  
Pelican just cancelled the order of my OBDii manual and refunded my money. Reason was 'no longer available'.
		 
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		|  06-12-2017, 02:41 PM | #12 |  
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					Originally Posted by JFP in PA  The major drawback to both the Durametric system and the factory OBD II manuals is that both are designed for someone that already knows what they are doing, which tends to make them non DIY friendly at all.  
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Exactly.   Unless you have an understanding of modern computer controlled fuel and ignition engine management you won't be able to make sense of  the data from the Dur.
		 
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		|  06-12-2017, 03:08 PM | #13 |  
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			Knowledge is a jewel and must be grasped wherever it lays - Conan 
I may not know too much but willing to learn.  Thanks for all the "supportive" comments.
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		|  06-12-2017, 03:23 PM | #14 |  
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			That ODB manual comes up on EBay sometimes but seldom with any mention of updates and it is very expensive.I suggest just contribute to Renntech and ask your question there with as much technical content and humility you can . It worked for me and they spent way more quality time on the issue than my paltry contribution merited.
 The problem with using the Porsche OBD code Manual is that there are opaque issues like aberrant/transient codes , bogus codes that mislead you - example 02 sensor and cat codes .For those issues you really need the experience of Renntech plus all your other Durametric readings in one concise Post.They read the OBD tea leaves very well ! Good Luck.
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		|  06-13-2017, 03:39 PM | #15 |  
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			Maybe the bootleg still might be available.   986 porsche repair mamual cd | eBay
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			I emailed the Seller in Hungary a few months ago. At that time the CD was for a  1997 model year  with unknown updates. Not sure if the OBD2 info would apply to much later  986? Maybe a 996 manual for the correct year would be helpful? 
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		|  06-13-2017, 06:22 PM | #17 |  
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		|  06-15-2017, 03:46 PM | #18 |  
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			Thanks PW!  Got it.
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		|  06-15-2017, 04:40 PM | #19 |  
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Yes, those at the specs. But the probably 15 pages before that describes all the sensors where they live on the motors and what they do.
 
Again, at least for me, if you have a basic knowledge of fuel injection and computer control  engine management, you will start to figure out the Box based on the official manuel .
		 
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		|  06-16-2017, 08:30 PM | #20 |  
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			I believe the Segment (A) value should also be 1.0.  I have no idea what that reading is, but when I was researching all the values, I saw a few people note that value was wrong.  Hence, why the bootleg PDF manuals should be used with caution.
 
 
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