A place for my piece

[Pdwight]

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.

[BrokenLinkage]

I wish everyone would carry. It would save me the trouble. Kind of like herd immunity. Sorry Giller, but if enough people just fork over the wallet and avert their eyes, then the criminal act is reinforced as a successful alternative to gainful employment, and we are all less safe from the bad guys who often lack impulse control and have never experienced gun control.
BTW, I live in a reasonably safe area, yet it has been all of 10 days since I was 1st on scene of a carjacking 150 ft from my house. I was unarmed. The victim had a permit but was also unarmed at the time. She got back her wrecked car, broken phone, her credit, and most of the contents of her purse. A suspect is in custody. But she she can't get back the three plus days of lost time, and she won't feel safe walking to her car for a long time. I bet she shoots the next mofo who tries (I will thank her for the public service if she does).
Cultural bias / background: raised in the South, prep school to graduate education, professional, 2 siblings in law enforcement, one in-law career military, nephew a bounty hunter. Very pro-gun, in spite of the fact that some of the jokers with guns scare the S out of me; that is part of the price of freedom.
For a more factual perspective, look at the controlled study that is Kennessaw GA, and the impact on crime of requiring gun ownership.

And Dwight, try a fixed mount inside the pocket on the back of the passenger seat.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by BrokenLinkage

I wish everyone would carry. It would save me the trouble. Kind of like herd immunity. Sorry Giller, but if enough people just fork over the wallet and avert their eyes, then the criminal act is reinforced as a successful alternative to gainful employment, and we are all less safe from the bad guys who often lack impulse control and have never experienced gun control.
BTW, I live in a reasonably safe area, yet it has been all of 10 days since I was 1st on scene of a carjacking 150 ft from my house. I was unarmed. The victim had a permit but was also unarmed at the time. She got back her wrecked car, broken phone, her credit, and most of the contents of her purse. A suspect is in custody. But she she can't get back the three plus days of lost time, and she won't feel safe walking to her car for a long time. I bet she shoots the next mofo who tries (I will thank her for the public service if she does).
Cultural bias / background: raised in the South, prep school to graduate education, professional, 2 siblings in law enforcement, one in-law career military, nephew a bounty hunter. Very pro-gun, in spite of the fact that some of the jokers with guns scare the S out of me; that is part of the price of freedom.
For a more factual perspective, look at the controlled study that is Kennessaw GA, and the impact on crime of requiring gun ownership.

And Dwight, try a fixed mount inside the pocket on the back of the passenger seat.

But there is zero correlation between states where you can carry and those you can't with regard the crime rates, therefore there is zero proof that carrying actually reduces any crime.

Again, I'm fine if you want to carry cause it makes you feel better or it's your right, but you just can't argue it reduces crime. The facts do not support it.

[CHRISP357]

Originally Posted by Giller

But there is zero correlation between states where you can carry and those you can't with regard the crime rates, therefore there is zero proof that carrying actually reduces any crime.

Again, I'm fine if you want to carry cause it makes you feel better or it's your right, but you just can't argue it reduces crime. The facts do not support it.

The facts certainly do support it Hillary. You're just to stupid to understand the big words.
Look, you're a miserable little coward who is terrified of having to defend yourself or any family you may or may not have. Fine. We get it. Just stop criticizing the responsible people who will defend you when the time comes.

[Pdwight]

I think the problem and where the most friction comes from is choice. If you do not want to legally carry that is your choice, that being said you have no right to tell someone else that they should not be armed and calling names does no good at all......in fact it is like cheating to win the Special Olympics

But on to more interesting dialog in this flaming thread;

What do you prefer ?

I am a 1911 man but have a Sig P230 in my Boxster

[Timco]

Originally Posted by Pdwight

I think the problem and where the most friction comes from is choice. If you do not want to legally carry that is your choice, that being said you have no right to tell someone else that they should not be armed and calling names does no good at all......in fact it is like cheating to win the Special Olympics

But on to more interesting dialog in this flaming thread;

What do you prefer ?

I am a 1911 man but have a Sig P230 in my Boxster

Para Ordinance limited Hy Cap .45
Star PD sub compact .45
Beretta 92FS 9mm
Sterling 9mm SMG

[CHRISP357]

But on to more interesting dialog in this flaming thread;

What do you prefer ?

I am a 1911 man but have a Sig P230 in my Boxster[/QUOTE]

I've had a few 1911's. Loved my Gold cup. I've since moved on to Sig. I have three variations of the P220 and am looking at another one. Or two.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

The facts certainly do support it Hillary. You're just to stupid to understand the big words.
Look, you're a miserable little coward who is terrified of having to defend yourself or any family you may or may not have. Fine. We get it. Just stop criticizing the responsible people who will defend you when the time comes.

You keep using the word "facts" but you never show any. Huh.

And show me where I've critisized anyone here but you, moron? I have no prob with you Americans wanting to carry guns....as a right. Said that many times. My argument is simply that it doesn't make you any safer, based on tangible evidence.

[Jamesp]

I'd say the Houston resident was safer with the armed robber dead in his driveway than he was when being threatened with a weapon. It's kind of hard to argue the opposite of that.

[Giller]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

I'd say the Houston resident was safer with the armed robber dead in his driveway than he was when being threatened with a weapon. It's kind of hard to argue the opposite of that.

And that's a great single example - and I'm sure there are a ton more. The challenge is, for every one like this, there are dozens of examples where the good guy didn't fare so well. Or where a family member was shot and killed accidentally. Or a stray bullet took out a bystander. There are hundreds of those every year. You can't cherry pick your examples and ignore the multitude of evidence against this.

There are far too many unstable people out there and getting a CC license is actually fairly simple in many states. There are tons of stories where CC people used their weapons in non-life threatening situations. Many have killed loved ones and coworkers.

Again, argue it's your right all you like - but if you want to argue FACTS - sorry, it can't be done.

[pilut2]

Originally Posted by CHRISP357

The facts certainly do support it Hillary. You're just to stupid to understand the big words.
Look, you're a miserable little coward who is terrified of having to defend yourself or any family you may or may not have. Fine. We get it. Just stop criticizing the responsible people who will defend you when the time comes.

Wow! You are an angry man! I hope you aren't packing! Giller is not a miserable little coward, and judging from his posts- he isn't stupid either. He and I live in a society where self defense is rarely a concern. We don't need to carry concealed weapons or go to sleep with baseball bats under our pillows. One of the main reasons that we don't is because most people aren't armed, up here in Canada. There is no possible way that being allowed to carry a gun makes the general population safer. Although, I can certainly understand why you would feel the need to carry when everyone else is.

BTW. When you call someone stupid it is best to use the correct "to" in your sentence. Otherwise it makes you look a little stupid.

[CHRISP357]

[QUOTE=pilut2;495786]Wow! You are an angry man! I hope you aren't packing! Giller is not a miserable little coward, and judging from his posts- he isn't stupid either. He and I live in a society where self defense is rarely a concern. We don't need to carry concealed weapons or go to sleep with baseball bats under our pillows. One of the main reasons that we don't is because most people aren't armed, up here in Canada. There is no possible way that being allowed to carry a gun makes the general population safer. Although, I can certainly understand why you would feel the need to carry when everyone else is.

BTW. When you call someone stupid it is best to use the correct "to" in your sentence. Otherwise it makes you look a little stupid.[/QUOTE

I typed in "to" rather than "too". Wonderful catch Sir. You win! Your opinion shall now be mine!

[Beer]

We have COPS meetings in my neighborhood, where a police representative comes and gives talks on safety. His take on carry is to do it, if you feel comfortable. The police would rather show up with a dead perpetrator than a dead victim.

Also the Supreme Court says the police do not have a responsibility to protect you. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the INDIVIDUAL to protect themselves. I know certain groups don't like those words.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by Pdwight

FWIW My son is a cop, my best friend is a cop as are many of my close friends...they will tell you they cannot defend you in the case of violent crime....they can only fill out the paperwork and follow up on leads.