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Old 03-01-2015, 03:36 PM   #1
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PPI necessary when buying from a Porsche dealership?

I'm zeroing in on my first Porsche buying experience!
I hope Porsche ownership is as enjoyable as Porsche researching has been.

I located the car I'm interested in at a Porsche dealership. This has me wondering if I need to have a third-party independent local guy do a PPI or if the sales and service department at the dealership are sufficiently divorced from each other that I can believe the PPI conducted by the service department of the same dealership I buy from.

Once I review all of the service history that the sales person emails over to me I will have to fly out to see the car in hopes of being able to buy it and drive it back. So adding in finding a local indie shop to perform the PPI The same day I'm there adds a level of difficulty.

What would you all do? I've grown to really expect everyone's opinions here.

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Old 03-01-2015, 04:01 PM   #2
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Unless they are going give you one of their pre owned warrantees, yes, a PPI is necessary.
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Hah! Rule #1: Never, ever trust anyone selling a used car. Period.
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Old 03-01-2015, 04:37 PM   #4
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You should look at this way, without the PPI you don't really know what the car is actually worth. Once you have the PPI in hand you can start creating a budget for what x,y and z will likely cost you if you decide to keep the car for a while. You also need to put down on paper the likely repairs that are common to this car that don't show up on the PPI.
For instance my car went in for a full diagnostic at the 65K mile mark. The dealer service dept rep came back with an extensive list of things that would be right around the corner including but not limited to clutch, shocks, brakes, coil packs. Not long after other things let go without warning, all things that are very common to this car once mileage gets up there. If you buy one of these cars without a PPI you better one of the following:
a credit card with a high limit, $5K in cash under your mattress or a garage, a full set of tools and lots of free weekend time... or depending on the mileage and wear, all of the above.
Or bite the bullet, dig deeper into your wallet and buy a car with low miles and lots of pampering.
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Old 03-01-2015, 05:16 PM   #5
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My car was purchased from a dealership that is considered to be the premier dealership in the country. Used S 02 88k miles,zero service records, zero knowledge of p cars. I asked the salesman, who was fired since then(no knowledge) If I needed a ppi and if I was buying from anywhere else I would bring it to them. He said and showed me the 110 point safety inspection they did. Then he showed a new invoice for repairs they did to prepare for sale. Tires, brakes, rotor, resurface cam covers for like 3400 bucks. I did not get a PPI.......huge mistake 5500 dolars within 60 days. Find someone who knows these cars and let them test drive get 2 ppi .....whatever it takes. April is 4 years with my car. 15,000 in repairs both mechanical and cosmetic. About 1000 a year above average expendature. I have been doing most repairs for about a year know after the IMS repair at 95000 miles now at 121,000. The only thing I regret is no PPI. I would have bought the car for a lot less or not at all.The salesman said I wont be back for a year or 10000 miles for oil. How much for a oil change I ask? 300 he says. Maybe CPO is the way to go if you dont take care of your machines. I take care of all my motors for general maintenance so it is not to much more work for me and it is fun as you will learn from this forum. No time, desire, tools, garage or money, maybe some other type car is for you.
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Old 03-03-2015, 06:04 AM   #6
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My 2 cents-

Either get a PPI done by an independent Porsche mechanic/specialist $100-200+/-.
Or...get a decent warranty from the dealership.

I bought my 99 Porsche with high miles sight-unseen (ebay) it was dirt cheap.., no PPI and later took it to an Indie specialist after the fact. Passed with mostly flying colors so I was fortunate.

Take my advice though and don't take a chance!

Drive it, shift it, listen to it, look at it as best you can...and you'll know if it's good or not!
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Old 03-03-2015, 10:58 PM   #7
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I would tend to agree with getting an independent PPI.

Except.. I didn't.

In 2011, I purachased my 986 base with 21,800 miles on it.

The car was in like-new condition and had looked like it had never been used. The hardtop roof was never taken off and the old plastic protector film was still on the rear window from new. The roof fabric was extremely stiff. The leather was perfect. Flawless paintwork, etc.

I would have been very weary but..this is why I didn't get a PPI.

As a selling point, dealer stated they replaced the engine at 20k miles. The dealer would not print out the repair records for me (privacy), but sat me in front of the service computer and let me browse all service records of the vehicle. The car was purchased and serviced there by one owner. The engine replacement was $18,000 and paid for under goodwill in 2007. Full stamped service history book was included with engine replaced stamped. Carfax pretty much matched the dealer records I viewed.

Several days after taking delivery, I needed a quick adjustment on the convertible. One of their master tech's came up to me to tell me he did the engine swap. He said the engine failure was due to a slipped cylinder sleeve and full crate motor was installed with all new drive accessories (ac, ps, etc).

I felt really good about going into the deal and had a great like-new 986 buying experience from the dealer. As it should be, but often isn't.

Today, I have a good relationship with the dealer and my independent says it's the cleanest 986 he's seen.

I did pay top dollar for the car and bought it as-is. It was worth it. No surprises since owing it in the last 4 years. I didn't feel any need for a PPI with an engine with 2,000 miles on it. I rolled the dice and did really well. Next time, I'll get a PPI. Now let me tell you about that 1992 Audi 100s I bought without a PPI .... :-(

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Old 03-04-2015, 07:43 AM   #8
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Completely agree with JFP ...

... the only times you don't need a PPI when purchasing a pre-owned Porsche are:
1.- If the car is still under factory warranty
2.- If you're purchasing a CPO's Porsche (with extended warranty)
I have seen horrors when doing PPIs that normally would not get caught by the buyer.
Good luck.
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Unless they are going give you one of their pre owned warrantees, yes, a PPI is necessary.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:07 AM   #9
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OP, read this. It even tells you how to do the test drive. For instance, if the owner starts driving the car, and you get in the driver's seat after, shut the car down and start it up again.

Pelican Technical Article: Prepurchase Inspection
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:01 PM   #10
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Thank you everyone, especially Perfectlap. I've read and bookmarked that article for future reference.
I've certainly been persuaded to get a PPI for this 2004 S 550 Spyder I'm interested in. I called around and found the closest local Porsche Indy shop.
Now, if only the sales rep would return my email...

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