Need opinions on a summer project.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Out of curiosity, Jake, what do you define as the difference between "marketing" and "begging"? While we are at it, how about the difference between "hipster" and "slacker"?

I was waiting for your opinion on this. A slacker would not take the time to make something constructive about this. A slacker would rather ask their parents to buy them a volvo which i could do right now and have happen right now. As for marketing and begging, the idea is to allow the people interested (as it is not everyones cup of tea) to come by and have their name on a soon to be one of a kind car with quite the story behind it. If it is so facepalm worthy, which i could easily see it being so, then meeting the goal would be quite the feat of marketing, because begging does not get you past something so ridiculous.

[Jamesp]

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

Let's keep it simple. You are, of course, positing that Jake will own a lawn and a front porch -- Last time I checked in with some 20-somethings, many still lived at home. And while we're at educating Jake, tell him where his social security will be, too, when he's of a age. :ah: Let's hope he will have his perspective then, too.

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by cfos

Let's keep it simple. You are, of course, positing that Jake will own a lawn and a front porch -- Last time I checked in with some 20-somethings, many still lived at home. And while we're at educating Jake, tell him where his social security will be, too, when he's of a age. :ah: Let's hope he will have his perspective then, too.

And exactly what type of car were you driving at Jake's age, and precisely what international business ventures were you creating? (good thing for the internet or that whole "international business ventures" thing wouldn't fly). Jake seems to be doing ok, not what I would do, but then again, I'm way too busy shaking my cane. Folks are investing in fake money called "bit coin" now, paying real money for pretend "swords of power" or the like in video games. Heck a name in an old Volvo at least has ink, for those still stuck on material goods. And interestingly kids nowadays don't want material goods, say a CD, they don't want the physical item. They want the electronic music file. Less to carry around I guess.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by Jamesp

Remember Jake, If men were meant to fly, they'd have wings. And at most, the world will need about half a dozen large computers. The patent office will soon be closing because everything worth inventing has already been invented, and if your elders did it that way, then you should too. Keep those things firmly in mind and when your old and gray like me you can stand on your front porch and shake your cane while yelling "get off my lawn!". Or, you could strike out and do something unique that some call "begging" or "slacking" and succeed or fail, you'll have done it. It seems the younger generation sees things differently, and values different things than the older. And the joke on the older generation is that they did the same thing when they were young imparting the same discomfort on the preceding older generation, they just forgot (they're old). Some things don't change. I wish you success.

Thank you, it means alot, I am sure it does not appeal to all, but at the very least it will be interesting to see how people react, to see where this goes.

[tommy583]

I'd actually rather give you a few bucks towards your car than give money to every store that asks me if I want to donate to the children at checkout. Who are these "children" you want me to donate to I ask the person running the register? A blank look is all they can usually produce. At least with you I know where my donation would be going.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I was waiting for your opinion on this. A slacker would not take the time to make something constructive about this. A slacker would rather ask their parents to buy them a volvo which i could do right now and have happen right now. As for marketing and begging, the idea is to allow the people interested (as it is not everyones cup of tea) to come by and have their name on a soon to be one of a kind car with quite the story behind it. If it is so facepalm worthy, which i could easily see it being so, then meeting the goal would be quite the feat of marketing, because begging does not get you past something so ridiculous.

I guess I'm not seeing the value in what you offer. Nor what is constructive about this...

So, your argument here is that having your name on a car makes this a "marketing" experiment?

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

I guess I'm not seeing the value in what you offer. Nor what is constructive about this...

So, your argument here is that having your name on a car makes this a "marketing" experiment?

I am selling an idea am I not? The idea of a kick starter is a pitch. Now would I personally spend some money on this, likely not, but would it make me smile to see a Volvo with a bunch of names written on the dash at cars and coffee, I sure would.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I am selling an idea am I not? The idea of a kick starter is a pitch. Now would I personally spend some money on this, likely not, but would it make me smile to see a Volvo with a bunch of names written on the dash at cars and coffee, I sure would.

Are you? It sounds to me like you are charging people to sign their name on a car.

[tommy583]

I wish the internet was around when I was in high school. But Jake I think you should go bigger! Try to get one of the business owners that comment on this site to give you big money for main sponsorship. Like a huge LN engineering sticker across the hood. For less we could all put our forum names on the side. It will look like a NASCAR in the school parking lot!! Of course I think you would have better luck getting a free car if you were a pretty girl, but that's just my opinion.

[cfos]

Originally Posted by tommy583

I wish the internet was around when I was in high school. But Jake I think you should go bigger! Try to get one of the business owners that comment on this site to give you big money for main sponsorship. Like a huge LN engineering sticker across the hood. For less we could all put our forum names on the side. It will look like a NASCAR in the school parking lot!! Of course I think you would have better luck getting a free car if you were a pretty girl, but that's just my opinion.

Like Nike and Jonah Perretti?

[Top_Ramen]

Look into this website GoFundMe: #1 for Crowdfunding & Fundraising Websites. I've seen people post on there for some pretty outrageous reasons. Might work a little better

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by all_mota

Look into this website GoFundMe: #1 for Crowdfunding & Fundraising Websites. I've seen people post on there for some pretty outrageous reasons. Might work a little better

Thank you, this site seems much more the style of the project i have at hand.

[cfos]

I wonder if this guy is still around... Whatyahsay Jake? Maybe I would be down for a $15er on behalf of this guy.

Late Show w/David Letterman - Dick Assman Part 1 - YouTube

[thstone]

Jake, I am familiar with crowd sourcing. I have done a few of those deals and in one I became a Associate Producer of a short movie. I received formal movie credit and my name is even listed on IMDb (Thomas Stone - IMDb.) Hey, before you guys start hatin' on this, remember this is LA - everyone's gotta have some movie cred!

With that being said, I am not a big fan of the Volvo idea so I'll try to make you a better offer: How about a real summer marketing internship/job?

One of the small businesses that I own designs and manufactures the Robotop (Robo-Top, One-Touch Convertible Top Module for 996 Cabriolets and 986 Boxsters).

I'd like to increase sales of the Robotop and I'll fund up to $750 as a marketing budget. Your role will be to design a marketing campaign using the $750 budget and I'll pay you $25 for every Robotop that is sold between the start and end of the marketing campaign.

Of course, I'll give you a free Robotop so you can understand the product and its value proposition to customers.

You'll have to write a marketing plan clearly saying exactly what I should do to increase sales and why.

External spending has to be within the budget and with that small of a budget you're going to have to be creative. We won't be able to hire any supermodel spokespersons or sponsor a Formula 1 team, but we might be able to do some pay per click advertising, paid Facebook ads, or whatever else you recommend.

Then we'll work together to launch and execute the marketing plan. We'll monitor progress and make any adjustments needed along the way. At the end of the campaign I'd like you to write a short report summarizing what worked, what didn't work, and why.

This is a legit offer. We can work out the details outside the Forum.

PM me if you're interested.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by thstone

Jake, I am familiar with crowd sourcing. I have done a few of those deals and in one I became a Associate Producer of a short movie. I received formal movie credit and my name is even listed on IMDb (Thomas Stone - IMDb.) Hey, before you guys start hatin' on this, remember this is LA - everyone's gotta have some movie cred!

With that being said, I am not a big fan of the Volvo idea so I'll try to make you a better offer: How about a real summer marketing internship/job?

One of the small businesses that I own designs and manufactures the Robotop (Robo-Top, One-Touch Convertible Top Module for 996 Cabriolets and 986 Boxsters).

I'd like to increase sales of the Robotop and I'll fund up to $750 as a marketing budget. Your role will be to design a marketing campaign using the $750 budget and I'll pay you $25 for every Robotop that is sold between the start and end of the marketing campaign.

Of course, I'll give you a free Robotop so you can understand the product and its value proposition to customers.

You'll have to write a marketing plan clearly saying exactly what I should do to increase sales and why.

External spending has to be within the budget and with that small of a budget you're going to have to be creative. We won't be able to hire any supermodel spokespersons or sponsor a Formula 1 team, but we might be able to do some pay per click advertising, paid Facebook ads, or whatever else you recommend.

Then we'll work together to launch and execute the marketing plan. We'll monitor progress and make any adjustments needed along the way. At the end of the campaign I'd like you to write a short report summarizing what worked, what didn't work, and why.

This is a legit offer. We can work out the details outside the Forum.

PM me if you're interested.

Thank you very much for the offer, but i must say, get back to me in 2 years

[cfos]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

Thank you very much for the offer, but i must say, get back to me in 2 years

I think you dodged a bullet there -- and I'm not talking to BigJake.

Since you posted this link, let me help-- BTW, I'd give it a "C-" and I've only read through this once:

"Hello, my name is BigJake111. I am a young auto enthusiast. [Ok, combine these 2 sentences with an "and" -- what are you, a robot?] My first car was a Porsche boxster [Capitalize much? "Boxster"], [";" you've got 2 independent clauses here] however, it was totaled in the highschool ["high school" is 2 words] parking lot by an individual that failed to yield to right of way. It was found at his fault [Ok, this doesn't make sense -- what does "It" refer to? The accident? You don't mention an accident. Also, if you are going to use "individual" like you did in the sentence before, you should use "their" not "his" here. Of course, making that change still doesn't grant this clause meaning] (after many battles due to lack of a full police report and being on private property [What are you going for here? Is it important that you didn't get a full police report? Or that you were on private property? If you are trying to engender some sort of mutual consent toward your cause, you need to be a little more specific rather than rely on your audience to understand what you mean.] and the insurance money will easily allow me to buy another Porsche [Well, this is just stupid to say. I mean, people with a brain would just say, "Well, if you could easily buy another, why not buy the beater too? It sounds like you will have the money." You see? You come off cocky here, and there is no reason to be.] However, due to obvious reasons [What's so obvious here? Is it because you are incapable of getting a full police report? I don't understand what you are implying as obvious? You don't state the personal relationship you had with the male individual, so why is it obvious?] i [Really?]need a beater to drive to school while saving the Porsche for weekends. Fast forward to earlier this week [*sigh* "Fast forward"? Really? You are fast-forwarding to a past event? "Rewind" You'd know this if you ever held a cassette.] when looking on a local car lot, I saw a masterfully-stylish Volvo 740. Due to the unique style of the car, I honestly believe I could enjoy it near as much as my Porsche ["my"? Do you own it yet? If not, than it can't be "my" -- Make up your mind. If you are trying to sell a story, then the parts have to add up. Here, you imply that you already have the replacement when you infer above, that the settlement will easily cover the replacement. Stories that don't make sense won't sell]. These Volvos are cheap, practical, SAFE, and honestly, I get the vibe of a 4 wheeled Vespa [Ok, this sounds incomplete. What I think you are saying is that you get the vibe of the Vespa when driving it (not that you said you've test driven it, but you are imaging what it'd be like, right?]. I enjoy life [life? sounds like weekends] in the Porsche, but I want to enjoy highschool [sic] in the Volvo. Rather than asking you to help me fund a sports car, I am asking your help to buy a beater. There is a certain irony to this car that i [sic] feel connects to my suppressed artistic side [So, are you implying that artists don't choose Porsches? I mean, where do we hear anything about you being suppressed? How is "artistic" also akin to "cheap", "practical" and "safe"? This characterization doesn't make sense to me.], wouldn't it add to the art if it was crowd funded. [Hmm... I don't know, maybe if you ended this with a "?" I could answer...] The car will be kept original [Not if you have people scribble on it. Also, who is going to care that you want to keep it original? Who is your audience? Are you speaking to someone or people specifically? What is your target here? Come on Marketer! Step up and show us.]. DO NOT feel sorry for me, i [sic] could work and buy a beater on my own, but, I want to make a project and experiment [Project and an experiment? What's the difference here?] out of this, I want to give YOU a chance to be involved. Any dollar donated helps. [This is a weak "Call to Action" -- look it up.]

Edit: And also BigJake, this is speaking to a point -- one day you are going to have to stop thinking about what you want to do when you grow up and do it. I don't know if this was a real offer, but man, if it was, you missed a chance.

[BIGJake111]

Originally Posted by cfos

Edit: And also BigJake, this is speaking to a point -- one day you are going to have to stop thinking about what you want to do when you grow up and do it. I don't know if this was a real offer, but man, if it was, you missed a chance.

I am sure that took alot of time but thanks haha, it is honestly appreciated and I did make many changes that I see fit haha. With the offer I try not do anything that I am not prepared to be very well at. I like to get my documentation and facts together well ahead of moving forward on something. So if I am to take an offer, I would rather wait a little while longer until I can do it right.

[RawleyD]

Originally Posted by BIGJake111

I am sure that took alot of time but thanks haha, it is honestly appreciated and I did make many changes that I see fit haha. With the offer I try not do anything that I am not prepared to be very well at. I like to get my documentation and facts together well ahead of moving forward on something. So if I am to take an offer, I would rather wait a little while longer until I can do it right.

I can hear cfos gritting his teeth over this paragraph already.

BJ, why not just buy the Volvo with the money you received from the P-car insurance, get a summer job and start saving up the rest of the money for that Boxster S you probably have your eyes on?

[Jamesp]

Originally Posted by thstone

Jake, I am familiar with crowd sourcing. I have done a few of those deals and in one I became a Associate Producer of a short movie. I received formal movie credit and my name is even listed on IMDb (Thomas Stone - IMDb.) Hey, before you guys start hatin' on this, remember this is LA - everyone's gotta have some movie cred!

With that being said, I am not a big fan of the Volvo idea so I'll try to make you a better offer: How about a real summer marketing internship/job?

One of the small businesses that I own designs and manufactures the Robotop (Robo-Top, One-Touch Convertible Top Module for 996 Cabriolets and 986 Boxsters).

I'd like to increase sales of the Robotop and I'll fund up to $750 as a marketing budget. Your role will be to design a marketing campaign using the $750 budget and I'll pay you $25 for every Robotop that is sold between the start and end of the marketing campaign.

Of course, I'll give you a free Robotop so you can understand the product and its value proposition to customers.

You'll have to write a marketing plan clearly saying exactly what I should do to increase sales and why.

External spending has to be within the budget and with that small of a budget you're going to have to be creative. We won't be able to hire any supermodel spokespersons or sponsor a Formula 1 team, but we might be able to do some pay per click advertising, paid Facebook ads, or whatever else you recommend.

Then we'll work together to launch and execute the marketing plan. We'll monitor progress and make any adjustments needed along the way. At the end of the campaign I'd like you to write a short report summarizing what worked, what didn't work, and why.

This is a legit offer. We can work out the details outside the Forum.

PM me if you're interested.

Very nice offer. Way to go.