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TAKART · 08-24-2013, 10:55 PM

Haz, so much trouble to arrive at the same at the end. Washing your engine block with rags won't fix your car. Here in France used Boxster engines are $3000 so maybe you should think about importing one from FR and move on with it.

I don't think the IMS change @ $2,500 is worth it anymore these days

haz · 08-24-2013, 11:32 PM

A lot of convinced minds thinking that throwing the engine as far as possible by judging the filter... IMHO, I will make up my mind after Porsche Center Oslo has looked at both the particles and engine. Most likely they've come across this before and will be the most qualified to provide a sensible advice on what action to make next.

madmods · 08-24-2013, 11:33 PM

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haz · 08-24-2013, 11:41 PM

Madmods: I think you misunderstood his comment. He was refering to my previous question on where to find the engine number, then a different member advised to clean a certain part of the block to uncover the number.
I'm not in the mood for a comedian atm, thanks

madmods · 08-24-2013, 11:50 PM

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haz · 08-25-2013, 12:01 AM

The way you talk to me makes me wonder if you think I don't know the engine is in a bad state. All I'm saying is that only after a mechanic has properly looked at it Will he be qualified to provide an advice on what action to do next. Rebuild or replacement engine. I think that part of this thread is ended now. Will make an update when I know more later. Thanks for all advice.

madmods · 08-25-2013, 04:35 AM

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haz · 08-25-2013, 05:07 AM

I´ll make up my mind after talking to PCO. If I decide on a rebuild, they offer a warranty (and so does SSP which are a know company for doing Porsche rebuilds) http://www.ssperformance.no/en/porsche.html

If I import a used engine, I don´t want to go through the hassle of removing the engine and send it back to use my warranty.. Then I´d probably get one from around here.

seningen · 08-25-2013, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by haz

I´ll make up my mind after talking to PCO. If I decide on a rebuild, they offer a warranty (and so does SSP which are a know company for doing Porsche rebuilds) Porsche | SS Performance

If I import a used engine, I don´t want to go through the hassle of removing the engine and send it back to use my warranty.. Then I´d probably get one from around here.

I can certainly understand the lack of humor at this stage.

Easy for someone on the other side of a keyboard to attempt to make light of the situation, while you are dealing with a pit in your stomach and a hole in your wallet.

Looking at your filter pix -- I'm not hopeful.
Next stage is to check to see if the cams are still in alignment and if not
use a boroscope through the spark plugs to see if you have any
valve to piston strikes.

You could also check the crankshaft to chain tensioner paddle --
I think you have to lock the engine at TDC and go through the chain tensioner paddle hole (don't try this without someone that knows how to time these engines)

Some late 98's might have also suffered from D-chunk failures -- but I believe you said yours was still running fine -- so you're not having a D-chunk and running (at least not for very long)

With that much debris floating around the engine -- even if you "fix" your IMS.
you will not have fixed the engine.

I fear at best you have a tear down, diagnose, clean out and rebuild .

I'll be happy to be wrong,

Mike

Steve Tinker · 08-25-2013, 12:52 AM

haz - you are doing the correct thing.
Disregard some people who just lately are stirring the pot on something they have not experienced themselves.
All our combined hearts go out to you as non of us want to be in your predicament.

Please keep us posted on what the OPC Oslo / mechanic's opinion is regarding the metal particals in your filter.

haz · 08-25-2013, 01:10 AM

Thank you! Much obliged. I won´t give up on this car, just knowing it most certain has a terminal flaw, made me fall in love with my Boxster all over again.. Had to go for a quick walk just to take its picture, in all of its glory...

madmods · 08-25-2013, 05:37 AM

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haz · 08-26-2013, 02:45 AM

The car will be flat bedded to SS Performance Wednesday morning and they will examine the metal particles and the sump +++ to give me a diagnostics and a price for the job that needs to be done.
Porsche Center Oslo were not able to take deliver of my particles to have them further examined, unfortunately.

SS Performance claims that a rebuild, if I'm lucky and have intact rod bearings etc, I'm looking at $11500. They had a Boxster in atm that had complete failure and needed a 100% rebuild. If I need this, which I most likely do not since my engine still runs and his didn't (meaning that not all internal parts are destroyed), I'l shop for a second hand engine.

haz · 08-26-2013, 05:39 AM

So, a sudden change of events.. Now, I talked to a mechanic at Porsche Center Oslo over the phone right when they opened for the day @ 09:00 and told them about my metal particles in my oilfilter. Right after lunch I talked with the same guy. He said that metal partciles in the oilfilter after 27 months on the same oil is perfectly normal.. My "situation" had been their lunch topic! "So, you don't even want to see my car and check it out??" I asked.... nope, if it sounds nice when running, don't bother.

Guess you didn't expect that, Madmods.

Anywho, I will still be flatbedding the Boxster to SSP on wednesday for a diagnostic. Just wanted to let you in on the new info..

madmods · 08-26-2013, 05:56 AM

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haz · 08-26-2013, 06:00 AM

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Nope, I wasn't in all honesty.

Let's put it this way.... we run lightweight cranks(balanced), forged pistons & rods with GP spec machined cams in our motors. If there is 1 (one) shaving of "stainless steel" turning up anywhere, the motor is scrapped and replaced entirely. We do get to keep some parts but often most of it is not bothered with (bin).

I have no experienced whatsoever with 'production' cast and aluminum CAR engines but would assume it to be the same as far as hard metal shavings are concern.

What I meant was, I guess you didn't expect the Porsche Center to turn down a potential huge job and plenty $$$, I quote; if you go at the dealer your wallet and your mind will be in a worst state than your engine. .. then a lot of talk about how much they will be screwing me at the dealer..

I also did some Googling on second hand engines
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jb92563 · 08-26-2013, 06:17 AM

A few small aluminum flakes in the oil filter indicate minor if not normal wear.

Since aluminum particles are relatively soft, any that bypass the filter and circulate around the engine, if they are tiny, may not do much damage BUT Magnetic particles are hard steel or iron and very detrimental to EVERYTHING inside the engine and having these circulate around the engine will do damage to bearings and other parts which will in turn quickly cause the engine to have problems and then fail completely.

The failure can cause considerable damage and render an engine unrepairable and require replacement.

If it were my engine, I would expect it to fail soon and I would be looking for another engine to replace it since the cost of a rebuild is so high in your area.

Other wise I have a shop take it apart immediately to see if it is still repairable with a partial or full overhaul before something devastating happens internally.

Any mechanic that thinks its OK to have you drive your car with magnetic particles of that magnitude in you oil filter is just plain wrong and giving BAD advice.

I would not let THAT mechanic touch your car as he if full of crap advising you that what you are seeing in your oil is OK.

I know you prefer the good news from that mechanic, but ..

Best of luck to you.

haz · 08-26-2013, 10:28 PM

Seeing as the latest responses indicate that some think I'm still driving my car around, I'm just going to quote myself to fill you guys in.

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Originally Posted by haz

I will still be flatbedding the Boxster to SSP on wednesday for a diagnostic. Just wanted to let you in on the new info..

Also, I realize that reading every 4 pages in this thread is too much to ask before posting advises on what to do, I literally just a few post back wallpapered the thread with pictures of the oilfilter after I cut it open.

ilikeching · 09-06-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by haz

So, a sudden change of events.. Now, I talked to a mechanic at Porsche Center Oslo over the phone right when they opened for the day @ 09:00 and told them about my metal particles in my oilfilter. Right after lunch I talked with the same guy. He said that metal partciles in the oilfilter after 27 months on the same oil is perfectly normal.. My "situation" had been their lunch topic! "So, you don't even want to see my car and check it out??" I asked.... nope, if it sounds nice when running, don't bother.

Guess you didn't expect that, Madmods.

Anywho, I will still be flatbedding the Boxster to SSP on wednesday for a diagnostic. Just wanted to let you in on the new info..

HUH, that suprices me that Autocentrum PorscheCenterOslo qouted thats normal with metal lots of debris in your oilfilter...... and then just told you to drive it normal....

I'm just happy you went to SSP..