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Old 04-29-2013, 05:19 PM   #1
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What's it worth? 2000 w/ 27k miles

2000 Boxster w/ 27k miles. The current (2nd) owner bought from dealer in 2002 as Porsche Certified. Drove 2 years, sat 6, drove 1 year, sat 2 more. Original tires (need replacement), dealer serviced... cosmetically a 9.... Few options.. CD and Cruise. Original books and keys. Seller has never heard the term "IMS Failure" If bought would do the IMS before driving... What is it worth? Always a California car...
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I see a lot of posting like this. snd the answer - as always - is it is worth what you are willing to pay for it and/or what the owner is willing to sell it for. KBB reports a value of $17,500 - $20,000 at best. You have to decide what you have to put in it to make it drivable. I'd suggest a PPI first, then use that to determine how much money you'll have to put in to it then deduct that from the purchase price.

While a lot will say an IMS is a requirement for price of mind, you should do a bit of research ont eh engine (get the number) and see if it has a double or single row. If it has a double row the chance of early failure is about 1%. Overall, the value is about 5% although Porsche published some higher numbers for single row bearings. Up to 10% I beleive.

FWIW, I have a 99 and will replace the IMS bearing when I get the clutch replaced. I'll follow that up each time I get a new clutch and will just throw the bearing price in as well and consider it a wear item.
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Because it is a 2000 it's very likely is a double bearing car (much less than 1% failure) so you really don't need to worry about the IMS bearing until you replace the clutch. Sitting for 6 years would concern me the most (was it stored in a controlled environment?). Long term storage is very hard on seals. I purchased a 1998 with 27k miles but it was driven every year and stored in a heated garage for only 3-4 months at a time (winters). Don't let everyone scare you about the low mileage there are more bonuses then negatives. I spoke with 3 different Porsche mechanics and all of them told me that though there are some concerns with a low mileage older Porsche Boxsters, the positives outweigh the negatives (as long as they have been stored properly). I was told by all that they would much rather purchase a low mileage car than one with 75k+ miles. I'm by no means an expert on this but since my Boxster purchase I have done my share of research on these awesome little cars. Good luck with your purchase.
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Blue book is around $17,500. With the bad tires, let's call it $17K.

First, get a PPI. Second, if I really like the car, I'd offer $15K and go from there. No reason to overpay.
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I have the engine serial number... Any way to determine which bearing it has using the number??
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I asssume it is a 2.7 Base and not the 3.2 (S). If the engine number is M 651 12851 or before, it was built with the dual-row bearing.
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Yikes. $17ish sounds high! I bought a 2003 S for $14,750. How much is the owner asking?
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:03 AM   #8
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walk away.

You want a Porsche (ideally from a warm climate, so you got that part right) that was driven frequently, with at least one long trip every once in a short while (to burn away the build up) and driven like it was supposed to be driven: shifting above 3K RPM an not perpetually short-shifted to save gas or keep the noise levels down.
One good thing about this car, S model engines come with thicker cylinder walls which eliminates one of the ways to avoid a costly rebuild. Find another S. this car sat for wayyy too long.
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The # is M9622-65Y68601
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The # is M9622-65Y68601
Double row IMS bearing.

I paid $17K for a 2000 S with 25.8K miles last fall. But the car had been driven each year. Interior and exterior, 9/10. Mechanically excellent, no leaks, full service history, owner had just changed oil and saved the filter for me.

Can you get a PPI?
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I bought my 2001S in November 2011 for $17K with 24K miles. I would have paid the same for a 2000S if it had similar mileage and was in the same very good condition. I found out mine has the double row IMS bearing so will wait for a clutch replacement to replace the bearing.
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My engine # is M9622-652/68601-002. Does anyone know if thjis is single or double row?
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2002 2.7

I paid 15k for a base 2.7 with 30k miles last week this my second boxster, I think the cars are gr8. I am not a mechanic but in my opinion the car sat way to long I would be scared of seals and all the lil things not every mechanic can tell you without pulling apart the engine. Cars need to be driven I believe taking car of cars but to let them sit that is probably the worst thing for a car. Their are good deals out there I would be patient last thing you need is a lemon with all sort of repair cost to enjoy it, then you could by newer one. Athough the 986 is the boxster for me love the clean style and look from the 356 and 550 which I think the newer ones got away from, but that is just me. Hope you get what you want these cars are a dream to drive and own. My brother has a 2007 Gallardo yes alopt more money horsepower but I swear the drive Porsche delivers is the one. Will never change
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My engine # is M9622-652/68601-002. Does anyone know if thjis is single or double row?
Single row.
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ims bearing

I just spoke with porsche and they told me the ims bearing on the 2002 boster is not affected by the potential hazard and engine lock up. i have been reading alot online should their word be good enough. Wondering if the hype is to worried!!!!!! any takers
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I just spoke with porsche and they told me the ims bearing on the 2002 boster is not affected by the potential hazard and engine lock up. i have been reading alot online should their word be good enough. Wondering if the hype is to worried!!!!!! any takers
Every Porsche Boxster from 1997-2008 has a sealed bearing on the back end of the IMS. Many are suggesting that the double-row is significantly more reliable than the later single-row bearings; while it makes sense that the double row should provide more reliability, no one, even Porsche, knows what the precise numbers are.

IMO, this issue has been beaten-to-death and is a little over-hyped.

The 986's are awesome machines, without peer; if the Porsche IMS bearing makes you loose sleep, then spend the money and buy some insurance by installing the ceramic LN bearing. I replaced mine over Easter weekend and have not lost one second of sleep over this decision.

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To answer the questions about which bearing is likely in which car, I copied-and-pasted the following information from Pellican parts website:

Pelican Technical Article: Boxster Intermediate Shaft Bearing Replacement and Upgrade (IMS) - 986 Boxster (1997-04) - 987 Boxster (2005-06)

Engine Number Model Bearing Type

Up to engine # M 651 12851 Boxster 2.7L M96.22 Double Row Bearing
Up to engine # M 671 11237 Boxster S 3.2L M96.21 Double Row Bearing
Up to engine # M 661 14164 Carrera 996 3.4L Double Row Bearing
From engine # M 651 12852 Boxster 2.7L M96.22 Single Row Bearing
From engine # M 651 11238 Boxster S 3.2L M96.21 Single Row Bearing
From engine # M 661 14165 Carrera 996 3.4L Single Row Bearing
All 2005 Boxster 987 (maybe some 2006 models) Single Row Bearing
All 2005 Carrera 997 (maybe some 2006 models) Single Row Bearing
Maybe some 2006 Cayman models Single Row Bearing
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Yikes. $17ish sounds high! I bought a 2003 S for $14,750. How much is the owner asking?
Yes, your perception is correct - Blue Book is high these days (lots of cars for sale, bad economy, IMS worries, etc.) Hence, my suggestion to offer $15K. Miles, rather than years, are a greater factor in pricing so a extremely low miles 2000 can easily be priced the same as a higher mileage 2003.
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Blue Book is high these days (lots of cars for sale, bad economy, IMS worries, etc.) Hence, my suggestion to offer $15K. Miles, rather than years, are a greater factor in pricing so a extremely low miles 2000 can easily be priced the same as a higher mileage 2003.
Blue Book is almost always high; this is why many sellers quote Blue Book pricing. It is often an overly-optimistic number to compare a car to. The only time I would personally pay at or near this optimistic number is if the car has an equally impressive history and is in textbook condition/appearance/drivability.

I would agree that in many cases, the miles are more important than the year; especially, when the two cars you are comparing have similar or equal equipment/features.
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Blue book (KBB) is total nonsense. I think they're better suited for mass mass produced cars like a Toyota or GM car.
The re-sale prices listed in Excellence Magazine (of actual cars sold) are far closer to reality. And even Excellence's pricing varies greatly from high income zip codes to more modest ones.
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