IMS Failure - Need Advice - 986 Forum - The Community for Porsche Boxster & Cayman Owners

coreseller · 06-09-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jdiba

Why is Jake forced to come on here and defend himself constantly ? I honestly don't get it..

Could not agree more. I rarely visit the board since I've sold my Boxster but the few times I have I am continually amazed at some members throwing darts Jake's way. If they truly think Jake's services or advice are bogus, ignore both.

To the OP; Mark Beardsley, man I feel for you. If it were me the choices would be simple; If I loved the car, put the money into it (my money would buy the middle of the road Raby option) and enjoy it, If totally soured towards Porsche over the experience, sell it as a roller then drink a beer or two and get over it. An expensive lesson but pissing Porsche's way isn't going to get you anywhere.

cbbepop · 06-09-2012, 12:53 PM

Audis and BMWs give extended warranties on known issues 10 year or 100k even on discontinued chassis: I believe the IMS issue should have long ago been dealt with in such a manner by Porsche. Not doing so have already hurt the resale value for Boxsters. But since the 986 and 987 have both been discontinued, I don't see Porsche being pressed into such actions even through a class action law suit. They sell about how many Boxsters per year? - 100? With such a number it seems like Porsche carefully allocate their funds, even if they are a luxury brand.

Jake Raby · 06-09-2012, 03:51 PM

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Why is Jake forced to come on here and defend himself constantly ? I honestly don't get it.

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Because its easy for people to do so. The keyboard warriors have balls the size of watermelons when behind the monitor.

I have given seminars in front of 300 Porsche enthusiasts and had Q&A sessions that lasted 45 minutes with a line 3 people wide and 75 feet long to talk to me in person before.

In the past 18 years I have had ONE PERSON say something to my face,but thousands post something negative online, none of which have been the purchasers of my products. I made an example out of that one guy and 75+ people laughed their asses off after what he said was used against him. He then left the scene like the **************************** he was and commenced to break a CV joint in the parking lot, which got him a lot more laughs and he was totally alienated.

None of it bothers me, but I have to admit that it has taught me that my info is best sold rather than given out for free.

Anyway, nothing good comes from a court room in regard to cars and engines. All the people that hate me for researching these engines and sharing what I have found don't realize that with one letter to the right people that I could single handedly devalue their car to the point that it could not be given away. The media would go crazy with it.
Instead of busting my balls they better be glad that I refuse to talk to these people and share what I know and have recorded. The opportunity has presented its self many times and I have turned it down.

Jaxonalden · 06-09-2012, 04:53 PM

Well it 's obvious that I'm the one with the target on his back here. I stand by my original statement.

I too will be paying a couple thousand dollars for Jakes retro bearing, and that in itself pisses me off because I have to if I want to protect my (investment) car. I should not have to do that...Porsche should pick up that cost. The fact that the company has a bad design which has cost countless fellow members on this forum ten's of thousands of dollars is BS.

I hate having a ******************** sandwich in front of me and being told I have to take a bite. I just want what's right. Jake, you are the subject matter expert. You know the weakness in their design. Yet when people ask for your help, to right the wrong the company knowingly passed to their customers, you say no. That's just hard for me to take.

Jake Raby · 06-09-2012, 09:56 PM

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I just want what's right. Jake, you are the subject matter expert. You know the weakness in their design. Yet when people ask for your help, to right the wrong the company knowingly passed to their customers, you say no. That's just hard for me to take

Sorry. If you only knew what it was like to bust your ass researching and applying these fixes only to be called a "fear monger" you'd understand.

As I stated, the issue isn't going to be solved in a court room. Yes, it might put some of Porsches money in someone else's pocket, but the people who own the cars would get pennies of it while some fleabag law group cashes in on the big money.

I have better things to do that sitting around talking to attorneys and wasting my time in a court room. There are products to develop, classes to teach, books to write and results to be gathered.

Honestly the people on these forums and especially "the vendor haters" have hardened me to the point of being selfish. If you want to be hurt at someone because I won't help, go ******************** slap one of those ass hats.

Jaxonalden · 06-09-2012, 10:20 PM

Well, maybe Porsche will have a change of heart and issue a recall. Send all current owners a voucher good for $2,000 towards a Jake Raby IMS upgrade so this issue can be put to bed.

Right after that happens...pigs will fly, Hell will freeze over and the Cubs will win the World Series.

vijen6 · 06-09-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake Raby

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Because its easy for people to do so. The keyboard warriors have balls the size of watermelons when behind the monitor.

I have given seminars in front of 300 Porsche enthusiasts and had Q&A sessions that lasted 45 minutes with a line 3 people wide and 75 feet long to talk to me in person before.

In the past 18 years I have had ONE PERSON say something to my face

Did those people in that 3 wide line pay to come talk to you or attend your the seminar Jake? I'm guess yes they paid in some way. If not entry fees then at least in travel cost.

For those who have an issue with you, probably don't want to pay to come talk crap man to man. It's not all about 'internet balls'.

Edit: for the record .. I don't have anything against your product .. in fact I do have some of them on my car .. however, I don't exactly like how much of your post most of the time is a teaser into 'arcane' knowledge that shall not be shared ( its actually amusing to me how many 'tuners' share this attitude .. even non porsche ones ) .. I'm sure keep secrets and letting people know you have them is good for business so I guess I can understand why .. maybe one day when I have $20k-$30k for one of your secret sauce engine, I'll also get to learn the secret handshake

Delgesu · 06-10-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vijen6

Did those people in that 3 wide line pay to come talk to you or attend your the seminar Jake? I'm guess yes they paid in some way. If not entry fees then at least in travel cost.

For those who have an issue with you, probably don't want to pay to come talk crap man to man. It's not all about 'internet balls'.

Edit: for the record .. I don't have anything against your product .. in fact I do have some of them on my car .. however, I don't exactly like how much of your post most of the time is a teaser into 'arcane' knowledge that shall not be shared ( its actually amusing to me how many 'tuners' share this attitude .. even non porsche ones ) .. I'm sure keep secrets and letting people know you have them is good for business so I guess I can understand why .. maybe one day when I have $20k-$30k for one of your secret sauce engine, I'll also get to learn the secret handshake

Secrets?

If you want Jake's 'secrets', take his class. I'm sure he'll be more than be happy to educate you from knowledge that he's acquired over the years. But you'll have to pay for his class, and so you should!

Im a long time lurker, newbie poster, and I have no affiliation with flat 6.

It just irks me when people feel that they are entitled to get intellectual property for free.

vijen6 · 06-10-2012, 10:42 AM

In my post I did mention "I'm sure keep secrets and letting people know you have them is good for business so I guess I can understand why" but I guess people didn't read that part.

I perfectly understand why Jake keeps his secrets. Its good business. The teases that he post on numerous other thread without providing actual concrete answer is also good business. Though that is annoying to me as someone searching for answer to certain questions, I completely understand it, and don't fault him for being a business man.

However, its not what Jake leaves out and keep secret that annoys me most. Its the way he phrase certain things. For example the 60 minute thing ..

"Have any idea what would happen to the value of your car and everyone else's if the story hit 60 minutes? They'd blow it up like the Volvo story, the Jeep CJ5 story and all the others and the prices of the cars would all plummet to the point where you couldn't give them away.. They are the media and they will do anything to create the drama that excites their ratings- they don't give a single damn about you, me, Porsche or anything else."

To me that sounds like he's saying hey, I'm actually doing you guys a favor by hiding your dirty laundry so be grateful, but that's not quite true. His website already makes it clear to anyone that can google re: the severity of this issue in our car. So basically, the way I see it, Jake is okay with telling everyone on the interweb re: our IMS issue, but telling 60 minutes is going to kill our resell price. I would argue that the internet has a bigger audience than 60 minutes so he's not doing us any real favor.

Anyways, like I said, he's not the only tuner I've seen on forums with this 'quirk', so maybe its a flaw that comes along with 'genius'. Perhaps its even me mis-reading his intentions since sarcasm and tones don't translate well to text all the time.

I've bought products from him in the past and probably will continue to buy them if / when I need it. Maybe even take his engine rebuilding class if / when I can afford to. However, I'll most likely also continue to roll my eyes when I read his future posts on this forum.

Jake Raby · 06-10-2012, 01:14 PM

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To me that sounds like he's saying hey, I'm actually doing you guys a favor by hiding your dirty laundry so be grateful, but that's not quite true. His website already makes it clear to anyone that can google re: the severity of this issue in our car. So basically, the way I see it, Jake is okay with telling everyone on the interweb re: our IMS issue, but telling 60 minutes is going to kill our resell price. I would argue that the internet has a bigger audience than 60 minutes so he's not doing us any real favor.

You sure are concerned with trying to figure me out~

That said the pictures of failed components on my site is less than 20, the total of my database of component pics is over 11,000.

If I wanted to obliterate these vehicles and engines I'd post every single one of them.
Want a sample? Here ya go.

I believe that the major reason most people bust our balls is because they see our businesses flourishing while the rest of the economy is broke and most of them are broke and can't afford to repair their car. They all feel that we took advantage of a niche market. They fail to realize that we see engines from all over the world because we took the time to research and become proficient with these engines when no one else was willing to.