What does a Jake Raby engine include?

[coolbreeze551]

I am posting this question for any one who can answer and any one who has ever wondered what comes with the $16k+ price take on a Jake Raby engine (other than piece of mind and a damn near bulletproof engine) and not including having your own engine bored out? I am talking about a complete replacement engine such as the ones shown on the flat 6 innovations website. Now I know I could probably call/email and ask them but I am curious about what people have done as far as ordering from flat 6 and if it was worth it.

I subscribe to Excellence magazine and in there it describes a complete "turn key" engine replacement... Now I don't know if that comes with ecu remapping, new transmission (if needed), etc... I am assuming that that doesn't include labor but all I have are assumptions. What I would like are some facts from someone who knows. For me and anyone else who has ever wondered what comes with the price tag of an upgraded engine.

*This thread is not a shot at Jake Raby or flat 6 innovations in any way, shape, or form. I have a lot of respect for the man and what they do at flat 6 innovations and is intended for educational purposes only. If there is a thread about this exact topic somewhere on this forum I apologize*

[Pat]

They can build it however you want, from mild to wild. You may want to describe the exact engine specs you're looking for in order to get a better idea on price. They way your question is phrased I think the answer could range from $15K to $25K.
Are you looking for the exact same performance as stock, but with greater reliability? What exactly would you provide them to work with?

[coolbreeze551]

For me personally I was thinking of a 3.6l that they have posted on the site. To replace my 2.7l (MY2001) I currently have. I am looking for something that has reliability and gets at least 300 bhp that is going to require the least amount of additional mods once I have made the purchase. Addition mods as in brakes/suspension, etc.... I would like to keep as much of the things I currently have while putting in 3.6l that can put out at least 300 hp to the rear wheels. Can someone tell me what $16k is going to cover in that sort of set up?

[Flavor 987S]

Originally Posted by coolbreeze551

For me personally I was thinking of a 3.6l that they have posted on the site. To replace my 2.7l (MY2001) I currently have. I am looking for something that has reliability and gets at least 300 bhp that is going to require the least amount of additional mods once I have made the purchase. Addition mods as in brakes/suspension, etc.... I would like to keep as much of the things I currently have while putting in 3.6l that can put out at least 300 hp to the rear wheels. Can someone tell me what $16k is going to cover in that sort of set up?

This seems like a very silly approach to me. You want to spend a bunch of money to make the car go fast (straight ahead), but want to skimp and save on the items that make the car stop (brakes) and help lay the power down and give a great driving experience and change directions (suspension).

You may want to rethink your process. Then again, if your just looking for some bragging rights and HP's.....proceed.

[JFP in PA]

Jake’s engines are nearly a work of art. Every one he does gets every known upgraded part; from the IMS, to the oil pump drive assembly, to screw in plugs to replace the factory pressed in ones the sometimes pop loose, new design cam followers, billet chain paddles, new tensioners, rodes, pistons, etc., etc. Doesn’t matter if you are getting a slightly warmed over 2.7L or one of his “ground pounders”, they all get the very best of everything currently known, which is why there is always a long back order for them (currently into the spring of next year).........

[blue2000s]

Instead of asking here and getting a bunch of opinions on the merits of your questions, you can just call them and get an answer in 2 minutes.

[Overdrive]

I've shared this page of Jake's site before, but I'll post it again here as I feel it's relevant.

http://www.flat6innovations.com/engines/performance-parts-a-services/5-performance-engine-modifications

Have a look through there and see some of the other options you may have overlooked.

You have a 2.7 that's putting out somewhere around 220hp crank (on paper), right? Here, aside from doing intake, headers, exhaust, and tune to start, Jake can take your block (if it is worthy ), remove the lokasil cylinder liners and have nickasil ones installed (Stage 2 on the web page). The advantage to this is that you can actually bump your 2.7 up to a 2.9 if you want with the installation of the nickies, and the job comes with new pistons, rings, and pins, and you can get stronger connecting rods for a small bit more. He can also do light machining on the heads to improve their performance with the new displacement. Even if you left it at a 2.7 it would bring a slight performance increase just having the nickies in there. I'm sure that if you haven't done the IMS retrofit or upgrade yet that it can be done during this process, as well.

And this isn't even getting into the next stage of turbocharging, if you so choose. If they can pull 300hp from a 2.5 with just what's on that page, at what appears to be maaaybe approaching the same amount as the cheapest price speculated in an earlier post, I'd say consider some of these options. I have to imagine if you're starting out near 220 stock that you'd have to be approaching a few tens of hp shy of 300 crank with a tuned 2.9 with modified intake, headers, exhaust, and tuning by Jake (normally aspirated still). I know that's not the 300 wheel you're looking for, but a good deal of that (and a nice heaping full of torque) will be hitting the ground better than before, and you'll still have a more reliable engine the way it should have been built.

Now, I've seen no hard numbers for it, it's just my speculations. But it's a question you can ask Jake, and I doubt he's going to have a problem with you asking him questions about something you're considering having done through his shop. I would imagine he expects more questions than he gets. Anyways, I just wanted to put that option out there in case you hadn't come across it yourself when looking around his site, because to me it means no need for a whole new engine, because you'd pretty much be getting one out of your original block when Jake's done with it, and you'll still be getting a serious bump in performance without needing to really get rid of your original engine.

As far as the other bits go, if you're looking to add nearly 100hp to the equation, you're going to need to stop better, as you're undoubtedly going to put that power to the test. If it were me, I'd want to be able to stop just as well as I go. You really might be fine just getting better pads, you don't necessarily have to go and get big cross drilled brakes, but that's not really the discussion we're having so I won't go down that path here.

Hope the link above is helpful in some way, and do try to get in touch with Jake, I'm sure he'll be quite willing to answer your questions.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Flavor 987S

This seems like a very silly approach to me. You want to spend a bunch of money to make the car go fast (straight ahead), but want to skimp and save on the items that make the car stop (brakes) and help lay the power down and give a great driving experience and change directions (suspension).

You may want to rethink your process. Then again, if your just looking for some bragging rights and HP's.....proceed.

For most cars out there I absolutely agree with this mentality. That said, I think the Boxster stops and handles SO well right from the factory that bumping the HP by 50-100 would only put the power in the same league as the handling and braking.

[schoir]

Originally Posted by Pat

For most cars out there I absolutely agree with this mentality. That said, I think the Boxster stops and handles SO well right from the factory that bumping the HP by 50-100 would only put the power in the same league as the handling and braking.

+1!

Regards, Maurice.

[schoir]

I tend to agree with Pat, in this instance...but there are also other considerations in a major move, such as the one you are contemplating. You may also be overly sensitive because of your past experience(s) with this hear.

For the big $$$,you can basically get everything that you need (or want) from a high performance upgrade. Remember, however that these higher-than-factory-designed/built and thoroughly tested engines will also necessarily bring you a greater degree of risk.

So, you have to ask yourself what you are looking for and balance that with "can I handle a total engine failure (in one of the many listed ones by Flat 6 Innovations)" and this would have to be balanced with the fact that these M96 engines are now purportedly bullett proof, once Flat 6 has had a chance to work its "magic"... maybe even buy a top of the line warranty to add to what already may come with the total package... However, those are VERY hard to find and sometimes not even worth the paper they are printed on...especially when you are facing a "big ticket item". Ask me how I know Not! LOL!!!

In your case, I would definitely take the "whole enchilada" approach, from soup to nuts... In other words, get ALL of the work done there, have the Box shipped on one of the frequent transporters that bring cars down to buy all of the parts from or through them, and don't skimp on anything AND get a direct quote in writing so that you know what to prepare for and what unsurance you should get...(sic...)

I'm sure once you are driving a beast like that, all of these considerations will fade into the sunset of the sweet music it must make....a classic symphony in Flat 6, amidst all of the cacophony of the pretenders, so I wouldn't pay any mind to all of the noise out there about the ticking time bomb reputation that these engine have earned, whether dlunreliability of these M96 engines (as in "IMS")

YMMV, so caveat venditor and caveat emptor need not apply.

Please keep us posted with your details once you have made some headway and good luck!

Best, and
Regards, Maurice.

[mikefocke]

As there are variations of the Raby engine rebuild...

At the lowest level there is a "CPO" engine which has the IMS and a few other upper end reliability issues addressed but is still subject to many of the failure points in the M96. Priced lower than a Porsche sourced replacement engine but without the Porsche 2-year warranty.

Then there is a stock size engine with every failure point they know of addressed with a "better" part. This is the completely rebuilt engine with improved cylinder sleeves, rods, wrist pins, etc etc. They are slightly more powerful than stock. Priced at more than a Porsche sourced replacement engine.

And then there are upsized engines with outsized power and torque which are pretty much made to order after consultation with the buyer about what he wants to achieve. These are definitely much more costly than a Porsche-sourced engine.