IMS Guardian Pre-order

[ekam]

Originally Posted by blue2000s

$400 to tell you to buy a $600 bearing seems kind of redundant.

$600 is more like ~$2000 after factoring in installation cost. But you're right if someone has the conscience to spend $400 on that you might as well get it fixed.

[RandallNeighbour]

Apparently, there's a 150% credit of the Guardian if you use Flat Six to replace your IMS or motor after you purchase and install the thing. So, a $400 purchase now is a $600 credit later... if you can get your car to a suburb of Atlanta. That's a $800 cost for me from Houston to have my car towed there...

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by RandallNeighbour

Apparently, there's a 150% credit of the Guardian if you use Flat Six to replace your IMS or motor after you purchase and install the thing. So, a $400 purchase now is a $600 credit later... if you can get your car to a suburb of Atlanta. That's a $800 cost for me from Houston to have my car towed there...

Exactly, if the cost of the technology required to detect impending failure is so close to the solution, and you're going to have to get it replaced eventually any way, just replace it to begin with and be done with it.

[Overdrive]

Originally Posted by blue2000s

Exactly, if the cost of the technology required to detect impending failure is so close to the solution, and you're going to have to get it replaced eventually any way, just replace it to begin with and be done with it.

I'll have to +1 that, I think it makes more sense to just get the retrofit done instead of waiting until your car is screaming at you to get it done.

Along with that, what if your bearing/shaft is already on its way out and you perform this modification. Is it immediately going to sense the issues or will it have to wait to see it get even more serious? I guess we'll have to wait for more details next month.

I'm certainly not trying to shut down Jake's products, I'm actually getting the retrofit done soon. It's just that when I see something like this, to me it's like flying circles around the tanker until you hit bingo fuel instead of just fueling up when you reach the tanker. Why tempt fate?

[landrovered]

At least this will cut down on the amount of hand holding that goes on when the new Boxster owner inevitably learns of the frailties inherent in their new investment/toy.

So it is now...

Spend $400 for a warning light
Spend $800 and DIY
Spend a few grand and let Jake do it for you.
Spend nothing and drive your car knowing that all things in life are temporary and that the 105k on the odo is telling you to not sweat the little things.

The idea is good the "Hot line" is a bad idea, makes the normal service seem second rate although I can understand the profit motive.

[Steve Tinker]

I guessed that this is some form of vibration monitor as used by many maintenance engineers for diagnosing critical bearings on some (very) expensive machinery. It has been used for many years in preventative maintenance and is very cost affective when checking even slight anomolies in rotating machinery.
Of course, I could be wrong (again).
My question is will you still need the Guardian if you have already fitted the upgraded IMS assembly considering that no failures of the ceramic bearing have been reported by either Flat 6 or LN Engineering??

[san rensho]

Originally Posted by Steve Tinker

I guessed that this is some form of vibration monitor as used by many maintenance engineers for diagnosing critical bearings on some (very) expensive machinery. It has been used for many years in preventative maintenance and is very cost affective when checking even slight anomolies in rotating machinery.
Of course, I could be wrong (again).
My question is will you still need the Guardian if you have already fitted the upgraded IMS assembly considering that no failures of the ceramic bearing have been reported by either Flat 6 or LN Engineering??

It also probably has a sensor that senses cam timing. Variations in cam timing are also a sign the IMS is on its way out.

[Jake Raby]

LOL- imagine trying to sell a used car w/ this IMSG doo-dad thing-a-majig whatyamacallit button in the dash.

Yep, it will be a selling point, just like an IMSR. It will automatically build the character of any car it is functioning on, because the engine is known to be operating safely and is being constantly monitored.

I probably feel more at ease w/ curb feelers installed on car.

Then buy a set.

Anyhow, just curious:

What's the transferable warranty on ISMG? Seems it should comes w/ a lifetime one, right?

Fully transferrable. Just re-register the serial number of the unit in your name as the purchaser and assume all the incentives. We are doing this so the IMSG does increase the value of vehicles it is installed into.

What's the "warning" duration?

It is continually visual and audible until the system is disarmed buy the driver manually.

What's the data logging capabilities?

Zero. This is not a data logging system. This is a pre-warning system.

What happens if engine implodes and IMSG doens't go off? Hmmmm... customer gets a free engine of their choice, right?

Pay attention. If a customer who buys the system directly from Flat 6 experiences an engine failure with the system employed and follows the procedures set forth by us they will receive a credit toward one of our engine solutions to equal 150% of the purchase price. This goes toward services offered by Flat Six Innovations only.

No questions asked.

Why an "extra" $30 beans for "hotline"? Should be included in core price otherwise, whats the BFD?

Thats what it cost to have the ability to link directly to me when you are on the side of the road with an IMS Alert and you are unsure of what to do, 24-7/365. Support at that level isn't free, but those who do not opt for the IMS Alert Hotline will still get free email and forum support.

What happens when engine implodes w/ IMSR and ISMG? Presume customer becomes SOL?

The 150% credit would still be applied toward what ever means of action is required as long as the system was purchased from Flat 6 Innovations directly, the owner was registered with a matching unit serial number.

How will this interfere with deer whistlers I bought from cover of JCWhitney last month????

If the IMS Alert audible alarm is sounding, you won't have any deer for a mile around your car. It is loud and gets attention.

Need steak to accompany sizzle . . . . . . . . . . . .

Nice sarcastic post. Here I was expecting people to appreciate what we have created. I find it funny that on Rennlist the thread has gone for 8 weeks with 28+ pages, 415 replies and over 18,000 views and not a single individual made these kinds of negative comments. Noted.

Remember, you don't have to buy one.