IMS Guardian Pre-order

[jbs986]

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

[blue2000s]

Originally Posted by jbs986

Count me in, I will gladly pay $ 400.00 for one , just for peace of mind.

Totally out of curiosity, not criticizing or judging at all: Why are you looking at buying the detection device where the only end result is the purchase of the bearing anyway? Why are you not interested in just buying the bearing now and getting it over with?

[Jake Raby]

I certainly understand statistics..
I understand them enough to know that in this scenario they can't be calculated.

It's really simple:
The IMSG gives the advanced notice that an issue is imminent and no other device or process to date has been able do this. That advanced notice is what allows engines to be saved before collateral damage occurs that takes the engine out.

Either someone sees benefit in such a system, or they don't... Those that do see benefit buy it and the others do not, that's the freedom that we all have as Americans. Those who do invest in the technology get a sense of security that has only been available through an IMSR in the past at a much higher cost for the total process. The IMSG also has the ability to seek out 10 other forms of failure that the IMSR does not address and offers a 150% credit toward a Flat 6 engine solution to those who buy the unit through us.

Remember: until 2009 LN and I had not developed the technology to safely extract the IMS bearing with the engine together and in the car. The development of the IMSG pre-dates the IMSR as I had this idea before we ever retrofitted the first bearing successfully.

People call our Offices looking for a sense if security all day everyday and we cannot give it to them honestly. The IMSG gives this to them continually from the dash interface with an audible and visual IMS Alert and push to test features.

Believe in it? Great, buy it.
Don't believe in it? Don't buy it.
Its that simple.
That's said, the first 500 units are almost already spoken for in less than one week of pre-sales with zero advertisement and people still don't even know how it works. The do know what it offers and that's enough to captivate them.

I was basing nothing on the 3 cars here now except the fact that all of them could have been saved if advanced warning was given and the proper action was taken. When the female owner of one of them saw the technology employed in one of our test cars she asked why in the world we didn't come out with it sooner.
The IMS bearing failure isn't what generally drives the stake in the heart if the engine, it's a primary mode of failure that leads to collateral damage that is much worse and not able to be solved without complete engine teardown.

The female driver we were referring to has an IMS bearing that is still intact, but has failed. What took her off the road was a rod knock that was created from collateral damage. Her IMS bearing could be retrofitted today and she would still have a rod knock, if caught early enough the whole situation could have been much different and instead if 15k, she would be looking at 3k with a credit applied from my company if she had the IMSG employed.

The choice is yours.

[Bobiam]

My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.

HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety. Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do?

[jaykay]

Jake,

Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed. The press to test feature really gives you away as an ex aircraft maint. engineer. Reminds me of fire suppression squib tests on certain older jets before lighting the APU.

Cool stuff!

[Overdrive]

Ok Jake, let me make sure I didn't misunderstand your post. So this device goes beyond simply monitoring what would bring about an IMS retrofit or replacement, and actually monitors other potential engine failure points? In the specific case you last mentioned, were you saying that the rod failed because of the IMS, or that the IMS failed because of the rod? Either way, you're saying the warning given by the IMS Guardian would have occured early enough to minimize the damage and possibly save the engine, yes?

BTW, I'm all for press-to-test being an aircraft maintainer, I wish cars had them, especially with all the different forms of monitoring that modern cars now have for various systems and components.

[dogsivew]

Jake,

I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install?

TIA

[tommy986]

Originally Posted by silverboxster101

People...This guy (Jake Raby) is a snake oil salesman. When will you all learn this!!!

We all know that, but he also offers other great products too.

[Frodo]

Even better! A self-proclaimed snake oil salesman! Can't say he doesn't lay his cards on the table!

[Jake Raby]

Originally Posted by silverboxster101

People...This guy (Jake Raby) is a snake oil salesman. When will you all learn this!!!

Yes, Snake Oil is one of my brand names.. In fact I am wearing my Snake oil T shirt today!
Do some searches on who I am and the company I have built from scratch and you will see that honesty, integrity and effectiveness are what my name brings to the table. The IMS Guardian is no different.

I'm a DYI kind of guy for lots of projects but how easy on a scale of 1 to 10 is this install?

Its a 2 on that scale.. Just because you have to route the wiring under the carpet, otherwise it would be a '1'.

Just saw the teaser. Very slick and seamless system integration with the car's interior. I am impressed.

There is a reason why it has taken 3 years to get this completed.. Creating the seamless installation was a challenge and that coupled to the press to test feature accounts for a chunk of the manufacturing cost of the system.

My 3 yr aftermarket warranty is just about done with no claims (that's great), and it cost me around $1400. This Jake device is a much cheaper investment.

AND since this system is seamless and non-invasive it should not compromise your aftermarket warranty. An IMSR procedure will void a Porsche or aftermarket warranty. When the technology is released those with warranties need to double check their paperwork.

HOWEVER, my concern is false alarm. If the thing records a failure being imminent, we stop the car and tow it to safety.

This is the reason that the smart purchaser opts for the IMS Alert Hotline at the time of purchase. With this someone can call from the side of the road and they will be asked a series of questions to include many aspects of the engine and symptoms. Based on this feedback an M96 Engine Specialist can recommend to them what the course of action should be.

Even without the Hotline Email and forum support will be available to assist those who have received an IMS Alert and need to know the next steps.

Then we are committed to an expensive repair. All well and good the Jake device worked as intended. But if it was a false alarm, then we're out big bucks for an IMS bearing replacement plus $400. What to do? What to do

If the system gives an IMS Alert and the push to test procedure is carried out while the alarm is sounding the red light will go out and the audible alarm will stop. This means that the occurrence is "real" and you do have something going on with the engine that requires some form of attention. The situation may not be the IMS, it could be one of the other 10 modes of failure within the capability of the IMS Guardian to detect and provide early warning of.

If the press to test is carried out while the alarm is sounding and the light remains red and the alarm continues to sound, then something has damaged the sensor or the system and the occurrence would be considered a false alarm.

When we can reveal the technology many questions will be answered. The Tech Forum in Excellence Magazine will also answer many of them as well, all the other sill be addressed by the extensive portion of our website being dedicated to this technology, its testing, how it works, its features and overall information.

Any other questions? Comments?

Remember: I am not holding a .357 Magnum to anyone's head to buy this. If you don't believe in it, think it isn't needed or just don't like it- thats absolutely fine.

The pre-sales alone have already exceeded what we thought would sell in the first 6 months the product was on the market and its only been on our store site for SIX DAYS... It has yet to be advertised in any formal marketing and other than two forum posts it doesn't even exist.. There is not even any mention of it on our main website..

[landrovered]

Is my peace of mind worth $385?

You bet it is.

[Jake Raby]

[Burg Boxster]

LOL- imagine trying to sell a used car w/ this IMSG doo-dad thing-a-majig whatyamacallit button in the dash. I probably feel more at ease w/ curb feelers installed on car.

Anyhow, just curious:

What's the transferable warranty on ISMG? Seems it should comes w/ a lifetime one, right?

What's the "warning" duration?

What's the data logging capabilities?

What happens if engine implodes and IMSG doens't go off? Hmmmm... customer gets a free engine of their choice, right?

Why an "extra" $30 beans for "hotline"? Should be included in core price otherwise, whats the BFD?

What happens when engine implodes w/ IMSR and ISMG? Presume customer becomes SOL?

How will this interfere with deer whistlers I bought from cover of JCWhitney last month????

Need steak to accompany sizzle . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[thstone]

Did I get this right? You pay $400 for a warning system which when it goes off (and who knows when or why) it convinces you to pay $2,000 to repair a failure that hasn't yet happened?

[Jake Raby]

LOL- imagine trying to sell a used car w/ this IMSG doo-dad thing-a-majig whatyamacallit button in the dash.

Yep, it will be a selling point, just like an IMSR. It will automatically build the character of any car it is functioning on, because the engine is known to be operating safely and is being constantly monitored.

I probably feel more at ease w/ curb feelers installed on car.

Then buy a set.

Anyhow, just curious:

What's the transferable warranty on ISMG? Seems it should comes w/ a lifetime one, right?

Fully transferrable. Just re-register the serial number of the unit in your name as the purchaser and assume all the incentives. We are doing this so the IMSG does increase the value of vehicles it is installed into.

What's the "warning" duration?

It is continually visual and audible until the system is disarmed buy the driver manually.

What's the data logging capabilities?

Zero. This is not a data logging system. This is a pre-warning system.

What happens if engine implodes and IMSG doens't go off? Hmmmm... customer gets a free engine of their choice, right?

Pay attention. If a customer who buys the system directly from Flat 6 experiences an engine failure with the system employed and follows the procedures set forth by us they will receive a credit toward one of our engine solutions to equal 150% of the purchase price. This goes toward services offered by Flat Six Innovations only.

No questions asked.

Why an "extra" $30 beans for "hotline"? Should be included in core price otherwise, whats the BFD?

Thats what it cost to have the ability to link directly to me when you are on the side of the road with an IMS Alert and you are unsure of what to do, 24-7/365. Support at that level isn't free, but those who do not opt for the IMS Alert Hotline will still get free email and forum support.

What happens when engine implodes w/ IMSR and ISMG? Presume customer becomes SOL?

The 150% credit would still be applied toward what ever means of action is required as long as the system was purchased from Flat 6 Innovations directly, the owner was registered with a matching unit serial number.

How will this interfere with deer whistlers I bought from cover of JCWhitney last month????

If the IMS Alert audible alarm is sounding, you won't have any deer for a mile around your car. It is loud and gets attention.

Need steak to accompany sizzle . . . . . . . . . . . .

Nice sarcastic post. Here I was expecting people to appreciate what we have created. I find it funny that on Rennlist the thread has gone for 8 weeks with 28+ pages, 415 replies and over 18,000 views and not a single individual made these kinds of negative comments. Noted.

Remember, you don't have to buy one.

[Jake Raby]

Did I get this right? You pay $400 for a warning system which when it goes off (and who knows when or why) it convinces you to pay $2,000 to repair a failure that hasn't yet happened?

Perhaps you fail to realize that when a failure occurs the collateral damage exceeds what can be repaired without a complete engine disassembly or replacement?

With the number of people who are absolutely unwilling to electively replace their IMS Bearing until it shows signs of failure this system allows them to procrastinate as long as possible while they are afforded a sense of security, both visually and audibly.

This is an IMS Bearing that is not caught soon enough in the failure process.

The failure process is made up of four stages of bearing degradtion and ultimately failure. Collateral damage created by the lack of IMS support and alignment is more damaging to the engine than thew actual IMS bearing failure.

This bearing is at Stage 3 failure. It was caught in time and was extracted from the engine and replaced with an IMSR procedure. This person was lucky because the engine had a noise and a release of oil that was noted before the bearing completely fused together, seized and then snapped. Note the wear materials inside this bearing, it did not lose any balls or other major pieces at the time it was extracted, but it only had miles of use left in it before it failed completely.

The owner of the car is still driving it today.

So the key to being able to save an engine withoput complete replacement is advanced warning. Doing so enables the bearing to be extracted and replaced easily with no collateral damage occurring.

Here are some samples of collateral damage that occurred when the IMS bearing failed, valve timing was compromised and components began to collide with one another, stemming from some form of IMS related incident.




What people do not realize is once you hear a noise, notice a symptom or actually grasp the fact that something is happenning to you, the engine is often times past the point where it can be saved without complete disassembly and complete reconstruction.

Put simply: Once the full failure occurs, you don't have enough of an engine left to repair.

[thstone]

Originally Posted by Jake Raby

Perhaps you fail to realize that when a failure occurs the collateral damage exceeds what can be repaired without a complete engine disassembly or replacement?

+1 for being a nice guy in response to my sarcasm.

Certainly, I understand the implications of a failed IMS. I still say that the IMS failure rate is 2%-3% and thus worrying about the IMS is over-hyped.

I replaced my clutch two weeks ago and didn't touch the IMS. With 94,000 miles, there are 20 other things that are just as likely to fail in the engine as the IMS. What about those? Where is the cam tensionor guide failure detector? And the cam chain failure detector? And the... well, you get the idea.

[Jake Raby]

+1 for being a nice guy in response to my sarcasm.

That was difficult to do. I have worked my ass off on this project over the past 6 months and its been in the works for 3 solid years. Making this work and making it fit the vehicle so seamlessly has been very difficult. Making the system simple while maintaining effectiveness was the biggest challenge. I take this seriously, else my ass wouldn't be here at 0140 AM still working on the supplemental items related to the system. Thats an 18 hour day for me. The sarcasm pissed me off, but so be it. Doing things outside the box breeds skepticism and sarcasm.

Certainly, I understand the implications of a failed IMS. I still say that the IMS failure rate is 2%-3% and thus worrying about the IMS is over-hyped.

The people who have experienced the failure would disagree with you. I am happy that you don't believe that you and your car will ever be in that 2-3% that you have stated. The lady that just sold her car today for 2750 bucks knew about this problem, didn't take action and ended up in your "2-3%" category. She didn't think that it could happen to her. See the attached pics of her oil sump plate.. See that little remnant? Thats all thats left of an IMS ball bearing.

I replaced my clutch two weeks ago and didn't touch the IMS. With 94,000 miles, there are 20 other things that are just as likely to fail in the engine as the IMS. What about those?

Absolutely.. In fact the actual number is 21 things and thats just what we have found as of today.

Where is the tension guide failure detector? And the cam chain failure detector? And the... well, you get the idea

Which cam chain, you have at least 3 of them and could have 5. They have a minimum of 44 links on them and could have as many as 136, which one will fail first?

The IMSG has the ability to detect 10 other modes of failure, all of which are significant and if caught in time the majority of them can be repaired before the engine experiences collateral damage.

The one thing that people call us about most, other than having an actual engine failure, is the ability to add a sense of security to their vehicle. Most of these people do not understand mechanical workings and they believe that a crystal ball exists here. We can't give them any sense of security without invasive procedures unless the IMSG is employed.

I hope you don't have any engine issues, but I will say that one of our biggest critics who believed much like you do had an experience last year that cost him an engine and his Porsche, because he could not afford to repair it. That person fought us tooth and nail for 4 solid years and then all of a sudden he disappeared and I'll be damned if the guy that bought his car didn't call us up to tell us the news- he actually found it funny because the guy admitted to him what he had been saying. He got a smoking deal on the car, I built him a new engine and lets just say that one went full circle.

I guess that Karma had a bit of a problem with him for some reason. He found out real quick that being in that "2-3%" really sucks. Thats the beautiful thing about America. I have the ability to design this system and sell it on the free market and you have the ability to doubt everything I say and express that to me. Neither one of us has to give a damn about what the other one thinks, it is truly awesome.

Okay, make that 0200 now.. I have to get some sleep, I have an engine to blow up on purpose tomorrow while under the watchful eye of the IMSG and I can't wait!

[keithl]

If this thing works like it's supposed to, it seems like a great innovative product. Not sure why some are ********************in. Pushing the button every time you start car seems a little monotonous though, I would prefer something automatic.

[jaykay]

The pushing of the button is just a system test, a test of the alarm, as far as I know. I believe the monitoring function to be engaged automatically upon ignition.