Porsche Goes Electric

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

As much as the people are sick of people blaming the oil companies I'm sick of people blaming politicians. Who votes for these politicians? The secret council of the Water Buffalo club? Polticians do what the people want. If they don't they get voted out. People didn't care about hybrids, electric cars, and all the other alternatives, instead they jumped all over the big suv's because gas got cheap again. Tom Friedman advocated a $1 tax when gas was $1.85 to spur the industries like these guys with the electric Porsches. Not the approach I would have advocated but the people weren't hearing any hybrid car talk whe car loans were abundant. No more car loan money now and gas will be $6....nice.
As Americans we waste, waste, waste. If its not gasoline we waste food, something insane like 25% of all food bought makes its way into the trash. Before we blame Washington we need to take a long look at ourselves.

As for where to get electricity to power the electric cars. I believe if you build....ingenuity will provide (as long as there is money to be made). Creating new industries that provide cheap electrical power is the shot in the arm that this country needs after we allowed this govt to ship all of our manufacturing jobs to Asia. If enough people buy these cars there are enough clever blokes that will pour some big money into ramping up the delivery of cheap elctricity, hydrogen whatever just no more oil. Whether its Owens Corning making composites for wind mill blades producing insane amounts of power compared to 10 years ago, thin film solar panel technology driving down the costs in a hurry we need to be after these industries before the rest of the world once again beats us to the punch. Germany is already way ahead on wind and China is making big moves in Solar. Nuclear is kinda of a panacea, the wait time for the reactor domes is nearly 12 years and oh yeah the waste...

I don't condone waste but it is a part of life. Prices help drive waste out of a process. As prices increases, waste tends to diminish.

As for the govt, it is hard to not blame those morons. And, while we get to vote, we really don't get to change anything.

Think about it. Your Senator has a 6 year job with no performance review. The President, 4. It seems that you need MILLIONS of dollars to get elected, and who has that kind of money.

Face it, both parties are clearly only out to stay in power. that is the price of professional politicians.

As for me, I have only disdain for these turds as based on my entire life's experience of hearing their lies, they deserve it.

By the way, this is an equal opportunity bashing. No real difference between GOP and Dems. Obama and McCain would both sell their mother to get elected.

[Perfectlap]

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

I dunno I kind of see big changes in terms of personal consumption of food, fuel and credit. Three things that got us into this mess and so far behind Asia and Europe. This could be the begining of ths country becoming more "European"...getting thinner, driving smaller cars, etc.
This era of American excess where you order dinner and they bring you a 1000 calorie portion, bagels the size of a soccer ball, big gulps, Licoln Navigators the size of 1920's Packard, 50" plasma TV's in a small living room, its all done.

[Quickurt]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

Where did consumer confidence tracking come from?

Isn't it a metric for the media to measure how much negative influence they are having, and then use that number to further run down consumer confidence?
Why is it only an issue during election cycles, when republicans are in office? I don't remember a word about it during the 2000 election cycle.

In fact, the economy was just rosy as could be, right up until the time the Goracle conceded. The next morning, the very next morning, ABC Morning news led off with these four words: "Trouble in the economy" Those four words led off a torrent of negative economic news that has not stopped yet, and will not stop until the nation elects another democrat to the Whitehouse.

Like so many, I worked hard to get the republicans elected, only to have them stab me in the back, so they deserve what they have coming. They deserve it, but we don't and we're the ones fixing to suffer.

Democrat pols are crooked lawyers, telling liberals what they want to hear to get their votes.
Republican pols are crooked lawyers, telling conservatives what they want to hear to get their votes.
After the election, they are just all crooked lawyers taking care of themselves, at our expense.

I'll climb down now.

[Perfectlap]

Today's Consumer Confidence findings are tracked by a private group in NY.
I'm assuming the credit markets look at these studies closely.

Here's an interesting piece on the electric cars, solars, etc.


Here's a company EEstor that's come up with a battery that can be charged in 5 minutes at a special charging station and will allow a car to be driven 300 miles or at home in using off peak rates at night for a few hours. People say had we started drilling 10 years ago we'd still have $3 gas. I keep thinking if we had put real money behind these hybrids and electrics 10 years ago we'd actually be exporting a ton of eco friendly cars to billions in Asia and India. That could have provided a ton of of middle class green collar jobs.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Today's Consumer Confidence findings are tracked by a private group in NY.
I'm assuming the credit markets look at these studies closely.

Here's an interesting piece on the electric cars, solars, etc.


Here's a company EEstor that's come up with a battery that can be charged in 5 minutes at a special charging station and will allow a car to be driven 300 miles or at home in using off peak rates at night for a few hours. People say had we started drilling 10 years ago we'd still have $3 gas. I keep thinking if we had put real money behind these hybrids and electrics 10 years ago we'd actually be exporting a ton of eco friendly cars to billions in Asia and India. That could have provided a ton of of middle class green collar jobs.

The problem is always, Who is we?

The govt policy has been clear. Don't allow energy development of any kind domestically.

Predictably, we now are very vulnerable to the Mid East.

Plenty of blame to pass around.

[Perfectlap]

Originally Posted by Brucelee

The problem is always, Who is we?

The govt policy has been clear. Don't allow energy development of any kind domestically.

Predictably, we now are very vulnerable to the Mid East.

Plenty of blame to pass around.

Well seem to recall an energy bill that was shot down by the energy lobby back in December that would have requried a 15% committment to renewable energies by power companies. The 15% clause was removed and Bush went along with it.
Can't exactly say Congress wasn't at least trying to push renewables.

I mean its getting to be a joke. Status Quo defenders don't want the "We" to be private engergy companies and their profits, but neither do they want the govt. to kick in the money. Something's gotta give we can't just stand around looking at each other waiting for someone to step up to the plate. Flipping the country upside down and off of oil is going to require all hands on deck both govt and the most well profited private sectors. Otherwise its going to take 20 years.
We fought WWII by pulling govt and the private sector up by the boot straps.
In this current era we'd a been arguing until the Germans were at the statue of liberty on who was going to pay for it all.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

Well seem to recall an energy bill that was shot down by the energy lobby back in December that would have requried a 15% committment to renewable energies by power companies. The 15% clause was removed and Bush went along with it.
Can't exactly say Congress wasn't at least trying to push renewables.

I mean its getting to be a joke. Status Quo defenders don't want the "We" to be private engergy companies and their profits, but neither do they want the govt. to kick in the money. Something's gotta give we can't just stand around looking at each other waiting for someone to step up to the plate. Flipping the country upside down and off of oil is going to require all hands on deck both govt and the most well profited private sectors. Otherwise its going to take 20 years.
We fought WWII by pulling govt and the private sector up by the boot straps.
In this current era we'd a been arguing until the Germans were at the statue of liberty on who was going to pay for it all.

There is plenty of private capital ready to explore for energy. I think Congress is showing you exacly why we are in the mess we are in right now.

Drill? Yes/No.

Next question

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Quickurt

Where did consumer confidence tracking come from?

Isn't it a metric for the media to measure how much negative influence they are having, and then use that number to further run down consumer confidence?
Why is it only an issue during election cycles, when republicans are in office? I don't remember a word about it during the 2000 election cycle.

In fact, the economy was just rosy as could be, right up until the time the Goracle conceded. The next morning, the very next morning, ABC Morning news led off with these four words: "Trouble in the economy" Those four words led off a torrent of negative economic news that has not stopped yet, and will not stop until the nation elects another democrat to the Whitehouse.

Like so many, I worked hard to get the republicans elected, only to have them stab me in the back, so they deserve what they have coming. They deserve it, but we don't and we're the ones fixing to suffer.

Democrat pols are crooked lawyers, telling liberals what they want to hear to get their votes.
Republican pols are crooked lawyers, telling conservatives what they want to hear to get their votes.
After the election, they are just all crooked lawyers taking care of themselves, at our expense.

I'll climb down now.

Well said.

[Brucelee]

Originally Posted by Perfectlap

well there will be a major house cleaning of govt this fall. Did you see today's consumer confidence report? Lowest numbers in 16 years or something.

I dunno I kind of see big changes in terms of personal consumption of food, fuel and credit. Three things that got us into this mess and so far behind Asia and Europe. This could be the begining of ths country becoming more "European"...getting thinner, driving smaller cars, etc.
This era of American excess where you order dinner and they bring you a 1000 calorie portion, bagels the size of a soccer ball, big gulps, Licoln Navigators the size of 1920's Packard, 50" plasma TV's in a small living room, its all done.

I guess I would differ with you on the "being behind Europe and Asia." IN what regard?