Pic of H&R Springs installed

[thenavarro]

After debating back and forth on going with the ROW M030 option or H&R Springs or a combination, I finally just went with the H&R Springs. Here is a picture with the springs installed. My car is a base 2001, wheels are 18 x 8 on front with no spacers and 18 x 10 on the rear with 21mm spacers.



So far, I'm happy with the decision. I love the look, the price was right, and while the ride is firmer, its not teeth rattling firm as we have pretty good roads around here. I don't know what the long term impact on suspension components will be but for the short term, I'm pleased.

Mike

[blue2000s]

That's definitely lower than the RoW M030.

[insite]

it looks the same as my M030 up front, but WAY lower in back. it does look nice. glad you like it.

[conradtan]

Ok I have to ask, how much, out the door, installed... looks great! I want to do this someday, soon.

[Bisimoto]

Looks good!

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by conradtan

Ok I have to ask, how much, out the door, installed... looks great! I want to do this someday, soon.

I got the Springs on ebay for around $250.00 delivered, installation of the springs was $358.00, and a 4 wheel alignment (necessary after installation of the springs) was $185.00.

Take care,

Mike

[SC986]

Looks really good Mike, any concern on clearance with bumps, potholes?

Off topic but can you explain the wheel spacers? I've read people using them but not up to speed as to why you want/need them. I am considering your same wheels.

[mikesz]

I just installed a set of these with Bilstein HD shocks/struts and I am getting a bounce like sway bars not doing their job. I added 26mm front and 19.8 rear with tarret adjustable drop links.

[911monty]

Originally Posted by mikesz

I just installed a set of these with Bilstein HD shocks/struts and I am getting a bounce like sway bars not doing their job. I added 26mm front and 19.8 rear with tarret adjustable drop links.

I believe the problem is you have the wrong combination of springs and struts. You need the Bilstein sport struts for the shorter springs you installed. The HDs will be constantly bouncing off the bump stops due to the reduced spring travel.

[mikesz]

@911Monty, So I either replace the struts with Bilstein Sports and keep the existing springs or keep struts and change springs? I am leaning towards the springs, cheaper alternative! What kind of springs would you recommend? Should I just use the stock springs with the HD shocks? Are there aftermarket springs that would work with these shocks? Can you recommend?

[911monty]

Originally Posted by mikesz

@911Monty, So I either replace the struts with Bilstein Sports and keep the existing springs or keep struts and change springs? I am leaning towards the springs, cheaper alternative! What kind of springs would you recommend? Should I just use the stock springs with the HD shocks? Are there aftermarket springs that would work with these shocks? Can you recommend?

Hi Mike, If you're going to keep the HD shocks then run your stock springs. You might want to look at your option code sheet to see if you have the M030 option. If you want to keep the H&R springs then you would want to go to the Sport shocks. They have a damping profile and piston length designed for shorter springs. Check your HDs out closely when you remove them as the valving can be damaged from bottoming out. Good Luck

[Cunningr]

So with the m030 option what is a reccommended replacment shock?

[edc]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

So with the m030 option what is a reccommended replacment shock?

You can use Koni FSD.

[911monty]

Originally Posted by Cunningr

So with the m030 option what is a reccommended replacment shock?

IIRC the M030 lowers the front ~3/4" and the rear 1/2" from stock. The HDs could work but M030 is the sport option so the Bilstein Sports would be the preferred choice.

[Cunningr]

Thanks for the input! So koni FSD or Bilstein Sports, either have an advantage?

[Smallblock454]

Normal springs primarily define the ride height.

Progressive springs have the tendency to be more responsive on short bumps.

Shocks dampen the unsprung mass. They have a pressure and a rebound stage. They don't influence the ride height in general.

Torsion bars transfer force from one wheel to another. So if you drive a left corner, the right wheel will press the left wheel down via the torsion bar. Same with bumps and acceleration and so on.

So if the right height is right, the problem is the shocks or the torsion bars.

Because everything has to be adjusted to each other i would combine things. So if you want to go with H&R (which is pretty firm on bad roads) than go full H&R. Springs, shocks, torsion bars, and important the right torsion bar rubber elements for the torsion bar diameter.

[mikesz]

@911Monty, @Smallblock454 THANKS! Been at this all winter long! Going with the stock springs! I haven't driven it very far so don't think there was any bottoming out. Besides the roads I did drive on were smooth. @Smallblock454, You know its not a small block right? LOL!!

[DWBOX2000]

Looks great but I am more amazed by how little you paid for installation. Here in MA they wanted $800 (Not even sure that included alignment, likely not). I ended up doing myself. Most sleepless month ever.

Beautiful car by the way.

[DWBOX2000]

Oh, I have H&R Springs with Bilstein HD's. No issues what so ever. I had just the HD's but it wasn't lowered without the springs. No other fancy bits. My friend has H&R with Sport. It is very low. Probably 1/2 lower with sport. I'll post mine with H&R and HDs.

The black one has the sports.

[mikesz]

@911Monty What should I look for as far as damage from bottoming out? There was no leakage when I swapped the H&R for stock springs. They look brand new. I would think damage would show some leakage from the top seals?